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Sounds like I have an equal first amendment right to publicly expose the personal cell phone numbers and home addresses of every lawyer, corporate executive, an

Sounds like I have an equal first amendment right to publicly expose the personal cell phone numbers and home addresses of every lawyer, corporate executive, and lobbyist who think this is a good idea.

sophacles 7y ago
No you don't. Those folks are a different class of people than you, a better class, a class that deserves privacy - us peons aren't important enough to have to worry about that stuff. That's what they'll argue anyway. They'll use different words, but whatever words they use will carry that message.
- gruez 7y ago
  Defeatist attitude aside, what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization that operates "as an ISP" and doxxed politicians/lobbyists/lawyers/isp executives?
  - sneak 7y ago
    You’d go to jail like weev did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev AT&T put hundreds of thousands of subscriber emails on the web with no password or firewall or meaningful authentication of any kind. (They were server-sent autocompleted values in the username field of a login form that had a sequential integer URL argument.) He and a conspirator downloaded them all and sent them to the media to run stories about AT&T’s negligence (instead of, say, selling or publishing the list, or emailing them malware, et c). He did a few years in federal, mostly in solitary. I witnessed the terrible effects it had on his health and psyche. He was never the same person again after he got out. Solitary confinement is torture. sophocles is right. There are two sets of laws in America, and the bigger one applies to you and not them. If you don’t show sufficient respect for their authority and the more restrictive set of rules they apply to your lower-status group, they will stretch their own rules to the point where you will be railroaded and subsequently tortured.
    - Retric 7y ago
      Auernheimer was sentenced to 41 months in federal prison, of which he served approximately 13 months before the conviction was vacated by a higher court. That’s not several years.
      - sneak 7y ago
        He was in jail (holding in Essex County jail in NJ) for the second ~half of the trial as well, as even before he was convicted, he was stripped of many rights and due to FBI harassment of all potential employers was unable to support himself to their standards.
    - howlin 7y ago
      It's pretty clear the crime here was unauthorized access to the server, not the sending of the information on to the media.
      - mcny 7y ago
        > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev > It's pretty clear the crime here was unauthorized access to the server, not the sending of the information on to the media. I think this is a good place as any to reassert that the CFAA is irrepairable and irredeemable at this point and MUST be scrapped with no replacement.
        mrguyorama 7y ago
        Why should you be allowed to muck around on my computers without authorization from me?
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    - SkyBelow 7y ago
      Is there a better example of this than Epstein? To get away with one of the worst crimes for decades and once caught, to get a penalty that would be considered a slap on the wrist for tax evasion or drug possession, much less what he did. There are teenagers who were dating someone with a slightly too large age gap who spent far more time in prison than Epstein did.
  - _jal 7y ago
    > what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization Hard to say with any certainty, but there is the case of the founder of a certain Wikileaks-type organization currently playing out that you might want to look at...
  - wbl 7y ago
    I remember when the phone company doxxed everybody!
- cmurf 7y ago
  Privacy isn't a right. It's a product you buy. Rich people are better. They deserve more and better versions of all products: Justice, education, health care...
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sophacles 7y ago

No you don't. Those folks are a different class of people than you, a better class, a class that deserves privacy - us peons aren't important enough to have to worry about that stuff. That's what they'll argue anyway. They'll use different words, but whatever words they use will carry that message.

gruez 7y ago
Defeatist attitude aside, what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization that operates "as an ISP" and doxxed politicians/lobbyists/lawyers/isp executives?
- sneak 7y ago
  You’d go to jail like weev did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev AT&T put hundreds of thousands of subscriber emails on the web with no password or firewall or meaningful authentication of any kind. (They were server-sent autocompleted values in the username field of a login form that had a sequential integer URL argument.) He and a conspirator downloaded them all and sent them to the media to run stories about AT&T’s negligence (instead of, say, selling or publishing the list, or emailing them malware, et c). He did a few years in federal, mostly in solitary. I witnessed the terrible effects it had on his health and psyche. He was never the same person again after he got out. Solitary confinement is torture. sophocles is right. There are two sets of laws in America, and the bigger one applies to you and not them. If you don’t show sufficient respect for their authority and the more restrictive set of rules they apply to your lower-status group, they will stretch their own rules to the point where you will be railroaded and subsequently tortured.
  - Retric 7y ago
    Auernheimer was sentenced to 41 months in federal prison, of which he served approximately 13 months before the conviction was vacated by a higher court. That’s not several years.
    - sneak 7y ago
      He was in jail (holding in Essex County jail in NJ) for the second ~half of the trial as well, as even before he was convicted, he was stripped of many rights and due to FBI harassment of all potential employers was unable to support himself to their standards.
  - howlin 7y ago
    It's pretty clear the crime here was unauthorized access to the server, not the sending of the information on to the media.
    - mcny 7y ago
      > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev > It's pretty clear the crime here was unauthorized access to the server, not the sending of the information on to the media. I think this is a good place as any to reassert that the CFAA is irrepairable and irredeemable at this point and MUST be scrapped with no replacement.
      - mrguyorama 7y ago
        Why should you be allowed to muck around on my computers without authorization from me?
        deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
  - SkyBelow 7y ago
    Is there a better example of this than Epstein? To get away with one of the worst crimes for decades and once caught, to get a penalty that would be considered a slap on the wrist for tax evasion or drug possession, much less what he did. There are teenagers who were dating someone with a slightly too large age gap who spent far more time in prison than Epstein did.
- _jal 7y ago
  > what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization Hard to say with any certainty, but there is the case of the founder of a certain Wikileaks-type organization currently playing out that you might want to look at...
- wbl 7y ago
  I remember when the phone company doxxed everybody!
cmurf 7y ago
Privacy isn't a right. It's a product you buy. Rich people are better. They deserve more and better versions of all products: Justice, education, health care...
- deleted 7y ago
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