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I remember listening to this when it was recorded and I still remember details from it years later – probably my favorite Changelog podcast ever. It's obviously
by danso 7y ago
I remember listening to this when it was recorded and I still remember details from it years later – probably my favorite Changelog podcast ever. It's obviously very foolish to make software choices based on how much you like its creator as a person. But Richard Hipp comes off as a guy so likable that goshdarnit, I hope his little project succeeds. Jokes aside, though, I don't think it's entirely coincidence that SQLite, something that is so good and reliable, was made by someone who seems so conscientious and thoughtful.
Though I have to admit, I was and am still disappointed to learn that the official way to pronounce SQLite is "S-Q-L-ite", i.e. "like a mineral".
- scohesc 7y agoI thought it was always pronounced "sequel-ite" personally
- cheez 7y agoAnd I thought it was S-Q-lite. S-Q-L-ite makes sense though. Most consistent.
- larrydag 7y agoMySQL is the same way. A lot of people say My-sequel but I think its supposed to be my-ess-que-ell
- zitterbewegung 7y agoWe need a normal form for pronouncing and naming relational databases. I’m half joking but it might alleviate people from being confused.
- wongarsu 7y agoI thought the norm was to pronounce SQL as "sequel" in Microsoft products and "ES-QUEUE-EL" in every other context
- WorldMaker 7y agoThe norm is to pronounce it by how likely you think you might get yelled at for trademark infringement by a holding company of the assets of an old aircraft company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley The name confusion is all IBM's fault. > Chamberlin and Boyce's first attempt of a relational database language was Square, but it was difficult to use due to subscript notation. After moving to the San Jose Research Laboratory in 1973, they began work on SEQUEL. The acronym SEQUEL was later changed to SQL because "SEQUEL" was a trademark of the UK-based Hawker Siddeley Dynamics Engineering Limited company.
- zentiggr 7y agoSo that trademark has been un-revivable since 2005... long past time to start saying "sequel" for real :)
- DennisP 7y agoI preferred to call it "Squeal Server."
- ncmncm 7y agoAbsolutely. Squealer for short.
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- buckminster 7y agoSequel-lite here. I know that makes no sense phonetically.
- sweeneyrod 7y agoNo love for "seekwelitay"?
- 333c 7y agoThis is how I will pronounce SQLite from now on.
- randomdude402 7y agoI'm totally in on this. We can make it happen!
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- phnofive 7y agoEskewellite Sequelliteh Squalitee Cirquerlanite Diet Seek-well
- ncmncm 7y agoSqueal-ite. Because SQL is "squeal", like the pig. PostgreSQL is pronounced "post-gres". You absolutely never pronounce the "QL".
- mercer 7y agoIs your name Ay-ayron? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
- agumonkey 7y agoand it does sound like a mineral which is quite in line with how I see sqlite.. pretty, timeless and rock solid
- big_chungus 7y agoI think there's a case for disputing the official pronunciation because it's based off an "official" pronunciation of SQL. I've heard it ess-queue-elle and sequel, but personally side with sequel. It was originally called “Structured English Query Language”, abbreviated and pronounced "SEQUEL"; later shortened to "SQL" but same pronunciation. So I figure sequel-ite is a perfectly legitimate pronunciation.
- Stratoscope 7y agoAdding to that, in the mid-1980s I worked at a company called Gupta Technologies, founded by Umang Gupta and Bruce Scott of Oracle. Their first product was SQLBase, pronounced "sequel base". The next product, which I worked on, was SQLWindows, pronounced "sequel windows". We knew that some people pronounced SQL "ess cue ell", but no one at the company pronounced it that way, ever.
- danso 7y agoThat's how I do it. I understand the etymological reasons for "S-Q-L-ite", but SQLite is just too ubiquitous in my everyday work for me to speak 4 syllables when referring to it.
- gavinray 7y agoLast month I discover NGINX is not pronounced "en-jinx", and today I discover SQLite is not pronounced "sequel-light". 2020 is turning out to be pretty terrible guys.
- lioeters 7y agoYou and me both, my friend. Apparently I've been using S-Q-L-ite, not S-Q-Lite. All these years I've been using "Engine-X", not "en-jinx", and didn't know it.. https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/community/faq/ https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/community/faq/
- Volundr 7y agoI only knew it because I had to look up the pronunciation. I kept calling it N-G-I-N-X, but could never remember the spelling.
- barneygale 7y agoWait until you hear how 'valgrind' rhymes with 'grinned'!
- MaxBarraclough 7y agoI've been getting that wrong for quite a while. There's a certain irony in getting the name of a debugging tool wrong.
- zzo38computer 7y agoI have always pronounced "NGINX" as /ŋɪŋks/. So, I was wrong, too. But I always pronounced "SQLite" and "valgrind" properly, at least.
- eropple 7y agoConscientiousness and empathy are rare commodities in software development. It's difficult for somebody to get out of their own head and consider a problem fresh, and it's not always personally rewarding to do so. It's also expensive, if you want to back it up with user testing. You see it, even, in ostensibly public-consumption open-source projects, where the goal is clearly not merely to scratch one's own itch but to market the project for uptake for this reason or that. I feel like SQLite is a great example of what happens when a team is able to foster the kind of empathy to really understand how the user wants it to be.
- BlueTemplar 7y agoWell, to be fair, it sounds like that it at least started out as a project where the programmer and the user were the same person?
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- barkingcat 7y agoI pronounce it "ess que lite"
- hazebooth 7y agoI'll be honest and say that in my head, I think 's-q-l lite'
- krn 7y ago> Jokes aside, though, I don't think it's entirely coincidence that SQLite, something that is so good and reliable, was made by someone who seems so conscientious and thoughtful. The same could probably be said about Redis and Salvatore Sanfilippo.
- remmargorp64 7y agoI'm still just gonna keep calling it "sequel light".
- syspec 7y agoWhat’s the episode number?
- anitil 7y agoOne of the many reasons I love sqlite and redis are because of the attitude of the developers. Sqlite has just an uncanny amount of testing, I wonder if it's the most formally tested piece of user software (outside of formally proven software and the space/medical industry I suppose). And Salvatore (redis) has a way of simplifying issues that gives me a great deal of confidence in the decisions he makes and the code he writes. I really like the code and reasoning behind his 'linenoise' library in particular