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Twitter Suspends UberTwitter And Twidroyd For Violating Policies
- ajg1977 16y ago"We haven't changed our policies, we're just enforcing them differently" - the 2011 catchphrase for platform providers
- Samuel_Michon 16y agoAccording to Twitter, the measure was taken after months of warnings: "[Twitter] had conversations with UberMedia, the developer of these applications, about policy violations since April 2010" "[S]everal applications, including UberTwitter, twidroyd and UberCurrent, [...] have violated Twitter policies and trademarks in a variety of ways. These violations include, but aren’t limited to, a privacy issue with private Direct Messages longer than 140 characters, trademark infringement, and changing the content of users’ Tweets in order to make money."
- abraham 16y agoUberMedia CEO Bill Gross says these are new issues Twitter never brought up before: “We just talked to Twitter and discussed the various issues they raise. It took us by surprise because they didn’t raise them before." http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/18/ubermedia-bill-gross-twitter-surprise/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/18/ubermedia-bill-gross-twitte...
- Samuel_Michon 16y agoAt the very least, UberMedia knew that Twitter frowns upon the use of the terms 'twitter' and 'tweet' in the name of a 3rd party app, as those are trademarks owned by Twitter. But of course UberMedia had to act surprised, what other explanation could they have offered their users? Like with anyone caught cheating, the predictable response is "Really, this isn't what it looks like!".
- tedroden 16y ago"Twitter" sure, but if they discourage tweet, it's a new thing. You used to be encouraged to use tweet in your app name instead of twitter. Remember, they didn't officially call them "tweets" until recently(ish). You can even register twitter names with "tweet" in them, not "twitter."
- Samuel_Michon 16y agoFrom Twitter's Help Center [1]: You may: * Name your website, product, or application with something unique. Uses of Tw-, and Twit- are generally okay with us. * Feel free to include language on your site explaining that your application is built on the Twitter platform so people understand your product. * Use Tweet in the name of your application only if it is designed to be used exclusively with the Twitter platform. You may not: * Use Twitter in the name of your website or application. * Use just "Tweet" or "Tweet" with a simple letter or number combination (for example, 1Tweet, Tweet, Tweets). * Register a domain containing twitter (or misspellings of twitter). * Apply for a trademark with a name including Twitter or Tweet (or similar variations thereof). * Use Tweet in the name of your application if used with any other platform. So the use of 'tweet' in an app name is allowed, if the app is a pure twitter client (not an app that integrates multiple social networks). You also have to agree not to trademark the name, if that name contains the word 'tweet'. [1] http://support.twitter.com/articles/77641 http://support.twitter.com/articles/77641
- abraham 16y agoAs far as I know Twitter only discourages the use of Tweet in application names if you integrate with no applications other then Twitter like Facebook, Buzz, Foursqure, etc.
- c2 16y ago2010 was the year to invest in platforms. 2011 is the year to invest elsewhere. So long Facebook, Twitter, Apple - I no longer trust your platforms enough to put any significant resources into development. It's time to end the walled garden resurgence and the best way to do that is on the ground floor.
- rimantas 16y agoMore like 2011 is a year of over-generalizations. Good luck trying to find anything you can trust anyway.
- c2 16y agoI didn't mean it to be a broad generalization. Each platform has it's own problems, this is just the latest in another reminder that each of these can shut your business down with the flick of a switch or if they catch wind of competition they don't feel is right for their particular walled garden. I trust myself to deliver products my customers want and find useful. That's enough for me.
- darwinGod 16y agoWith all these platforms (iphone/facebook/twitter),I think the smartest guys are those who do not get much news coverage, make decent money silently without growing too big, and not being too small. When you exist because of benevolent dictator,don't think of pointing a 0.44 magnum and getting lucky if you are just going to get nuked!!!
- daniel1980fl 16y ago"I think the smartest guys are those who do not get much news coverage, make decent money silently without growing too big, and not being too small" no spread news about the site, lots of money, small userbase --- is this even possible??? if yes, please give an example of a working site.
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- jcapote 16y agoThis is curiously close to the release date of their latest twitter app.
- blocke 16y agoBecause it's not like they haven't had an official client on that platform for many months now...
- alphadog 16y agoHere's a link to the official Twitter statement: http://support.twitter.com/articles/452648-i-m-having-problems-logging-in-to-ubertwitter-or-twidroyd http://support.twitter.com/articles/452648-i-m-having-proble... No clue to whether this is a permanent suspension - or what? I suspect it is since they marketed their apps at the end.
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- marketer 16y agoThis is what you have to deal with as a developer on the Twitter platform. Their policies have become so bloated and far-reaching that most apps are in violation.
- jjclarkson 16y agoThis is uncool. So I have an Android 1.6 phone. I use Twidroyd and the named alternative, the official Twitter app is for devices on Android 2.1 or later. I also have no plans to change my phone for at least another year. Maybe that's just me, but I doubt it.
- veeti 16y agoWhat about Plume/Touiteur? https://market.android.com/details?id=com.levelup.touiteur&feature=search_result https://market.android.com/details?id=com.levelup.touiteur&#...
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- rue 16y agoThere's an abundance of Twitter clients for Android, or you can use the mobile web version. I use TweetDeck.
- barredo 16y agoTwicca doesn't support 1.6?
- colomon 16y agoI just tried twidroyd, and my feed for the last three hours only contains these two tweets: Support: UberTwitter, twidroyd, and UberCurrent have been suspended due to policy violations. Read more here: http://t.co/HHGa9k1 http://t.co/HHGa9k1 Support: Want to keep using Twitter on your phone? Download an official Twitter client here: http://t.co/rxwSYuW http://t.co/rxwSYuW
- citricsquid 16y agoWait, so Twitter support did that? I guess they can but it seems slightly sleezy.
- Pyrodogg 16y agoYes. Apparently if you keep trying to make api calls with a banned app they keep feeding you these tweets.
- albedoa 16y agoWhy does that seem sleazy?
- notahacker 16y agoPromoting your own app to all users of a rival client you've just suspended raises a few (quite possibly unwarranted) suspicions about their motivations. If they wanted to avoid that they could have mocked up something akin to the "Browser Choice" Microsoft got pushed into offering.
- tofumatt 16y agoThey're offering users who probably just want to use Twitter easy/quick access to an alternative client so they can get back to tweeting. Given that the app they used to use was banned for privacy violations, the fact that it's the official app is probably a good thing in terms of trust.
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- corin_ 16y agoWould imagine that one of (possibly the only?) violation for UberTwitter is the trademark violation. They had already been forced to use @UberTwiter (without the double 't') for this reason. Sucks from a user's point of view, UberTwitter is by far the best client for Blackberry, SO much better than Twitter's frankly terrible official app.
- metageek 16y agoI'm pretty sure that, if UberTwitter is a violation, so is UberTwiter. The standard isn't "is spelled the same"; it's "is likely to confuse the customer".
- commandar 16y agoThis is a really crappy way for Twitter to have handled this as far as their users are concerned. Somebody over at reddit posted a screencap of an email that Twitter's apparently sending out to users of these apps, and it largely screamed of FUD to me: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/fo203/twidroyd_suspended_by_twitter/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/fo203/twidroyd_susp... There are also indications that it's not just UberTwitter and Twidroyd, but all of UberMedia's apps that have been blocked. Almost makes me think that the FUD aspect may have been intended. EDIT: Looks like at least some of their properties, like EchoFon have survived. I still don't like Twitter hanging end users out to dry like this, though.
- tptacek 16y agoIf Twitter bans modifying tweets for monetization and told the company to stop, or if the company actually was playing fast and loose with privacy issues, then it seems to me it's not Twitter who left anyone hanging out to dry.
- commandar 16y agoA. It's still not clear exactly what the issues were. Having use the app, I can't think of where Twidroyd steps on those toes. (I suspect that in its case Twitter is throwing a fit about trademark). B. Suddenly cutting off two apps that are among the most popular on their platforms without prior warning is crappy for users. Publicly issue a drop dead date to fix the problems to the developers, and give your users a chance to be ready for things first.
- tptacek 16y agoI'm not arguing that it isn't crappy for users. I'm saying, if the vendor was warned about this and played games about it instead, they're the ones who did something crappy to the users.
- commandar 16y agoI'm saying that there's blame to go around. If there's some sort of major privacy issue that has a direct negative impact on users, sure, I can see cutting it off. Barring that, killing apps that are as popular as UberTwitter and Twidroyd with no prior public warning simply isn't the best way Twitter could have handled this.
- duskwuff 16y agoWord on the street is that those clients may have been doing some sketchy things ("changing tweets to monetize... privacy issues with DMs"): http://twitter.com/#!/marshallk/status/38679317034565632 http://twitter.com/#!/marshallk/status/38679317034565632
- bradleyjoyce 16y agowhy does the TechCrunch story get upvoted more than the original source?
- gloob 16y agoBecause, contrary to the posturing that happens on the site, people still prefer to read a gossip rag instead of actually see what's happened?
- hornokplease 16y agoTo be fair, the TechCrunch story has more information than Twitter itself provided in their initial statement (with regards to the 'why' of the suspensions). That said, I submitted the source page but it failed to reach the front page for some reason: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2236675 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2236675
- bretthellman 16y agoTraffic
- eli 16y agoAnybody know what "changing the content of users’ Tweets in order to make money" actually means in this case? Were they inserting affiliate IDs into Amazon links or something?
- mxavier 16y agoSecond. I use twitdroyd (mostly for reading tweets), but I'd be pretty pissed if they actively modify my tweets. I wish the article would be more specific that.
- KaeseEs 16y agoI got an android phone recently and started using twidroyd yesterday. The first time I tried to tweet from my phone, when I hit 'done' a 30-char-or-so ad for Twidroyd was appended onto my (20-char-or-so) tweet. I was rather irked that I had to go back into the text edit box to delete it. I uninstalled the app immediately (thanks VM for not locking down the base ROM to prevent removing this default app, I guess) so I don't know whether this is only first-use behavior or persistent, but it is rather sleazy and annoying and I don't blame Twitter for banning them for this sort of horsecrap in the slightest.
- ssclafani 16y agoFrom Bill Gross, founder of UberMedia: "Twitter has requested that we make some small changes to our clients, which we are doing right now, & we will be back live again asap." http://twitter.com/Bill_Gross/status/38692931690954752 http://twitter.com/Bill_Gross/status/38692931690954752
- StavrosK 16y agoI have a feeling that these changes were requested many times and a long time ago...
- Samuel_Michon 16y agoSmall changes that they apparently didn't want to make, if it took them ten months to get started. I guess getting cut off is quite motivating. According to Twitter, UberMedia infused twitter streams in their apps with ads. Turning off that 'feature' is probably trivial, but if that's UberMedia's business model, I can understand why they're hesitant to do so.
- l0nwlf 16y ago> According to Twitter, UberMedia infused twitter streams in their apps with ads. But what problem should twitter be having ? If public dislike the ads they won't use it probably. If they are doing so, they are probably OK with it. There are lots of ads-free client out there.
- dufusheart 16y agoThey want to be the sole infuser of ads into Twitter streams.
- joe_the_user 16y agoTwitter has a right to protect the quality of their stream. With 140 characters, there's no room signature spam. Twitter's policy that you can't alter the user's tweeters is one of the first thing a developer sees in the terms of use.
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- chrismiller 16y agoAnyone else notice that #Twittermobile is a promoted trend? Twitter are really pushing their own app today.
- ENOTTY 16y agoBill Gross on the alleged violations: Trademark infringement: "UberTwitter will change its name to UberSocial." Privacy issues: "The privacy issues are related to handling Tweets longer than 140 characters." This information, combined with "privacy issue with private Direct Messages longer than 140 characters" (from Twitter) makes me think that DMs and protected Tweets greater than 140 characters were passed to a site like TwitLonger, which makes the full text accessible by a URL. That site then showed the message to anybody who had the URL without any account authentication. Monetization: Twitter believed UberMedia used affiliate links, which Gross disputes. http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/18/ubermedia-bill-gross-twitter-surprise/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/18/ubermedia-bill-gross-twitte...
- TheAmazingIdiot 16y agoSo part of the problem is a complaint of trademark dilution? How about this name for a twitter client: Birdfeed.
- olivercameron 16y agoR.I.P. Birdfeed (http://birdfeedapp.com http://birdfeedapp.com).
- akent 16y agoMisleading subject line on the email from Twitter about this: "Important information about your Twitter application" (emphasis mine). Turns out it wasn't about my application at all, it was twidroyd. Way to get my attention though.
- mikey_p 16y agoAffected by this and so annoyed, I'm about to delete my twitter account, so I wanted to backup my tweets, and found http://pongsocket.com/tweetnest/ http://pongsocket.com/tweetnest/ which seems to do the job nicely.
- rick888 16y agoThis is why you shouldn't rely so heavily on third-party services for your business. Twitter can either change policies to make it so you can no longer make money or just out-right compete with you and put you out of business.