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I had a uncle that was a bricklayer and moved somewhere that bricklayers were in demand so that he could get paid more. He was not a union member. When the unio
by zip1234 7y ago
I had a uncle that was a bricklayer and moved somewhere that bricklayers were in demand so that he could get paid more. He was not a union member. When the union found out he was doing the same work for slightly less, they sent some people over to threaten his life if he didn't join union or leave. He left.
- WilliamEdward 7y agoWhat's with the anecdotes on this thread? The OP was trying to make substantive statements about unions in general and why anecdotes are ineffective in describing them, and your counter was to provide yet another anecdote?
- gacklesmom 7y agoAnti-union astroturfing is to be expected in a thread like this. Other tech companies are terrified of something similar happening, and are going all-out with misinformation. The best thing you can do is upvote factual information.
- bluGill 7y agoThe same can be seen for pro-union astroturfing.
- SkyBelow 7y agoThere are many businesses that, if I were to try to undercut them, would send tax payer paid police to harm me. They wouldn't even give so much as a warning before I would find myself significantly harmed and likely enslaved for a number of years. Should we do away with businesses because of these bad actors?
- fzeroracer 7y agoI had a father that worked as a fisherman for a small company which was not union. He ended up dying because the owners didn't properly inspect the boat and it capsized because of a fatal flaw in the design, killing everyone on board. Using your same argument, we should abolish all corporations, correct? Since a poorly ran corporation can quite literally kill people due to negligence. I find it honestly absurd that people attribute all of these negative qualities to unions and yet are not willing to do the exact same thing to the same corporate behavior which has zero checks or balances.
- lawnchair_larry 7y agoBecause your issue is better solved by regulations.
- ThrowawayR2 7y agoCorporations don't pretend to be on the workers' side; unions do.
- bo0tzz 7y agoCorporations absolutely do pretend to be on the workers' side.
- namewasmypw 7y agoSo your uncle was a scab? Congratulations.
- namesmypw 7y agoSo your uncle was a scab? Congratulations.
- bobloblaw45 7y agoI had a relative that many suspected was murdered way back in the day when my city was having one of its bridges built. Basically there was a strike going on and he was a scab.
- SkyBelow 7y agoI guess I should have mentioned the entire process in my previous comment instead of pointing out the conclusion. Businesses use lobbyist to get laws to entrench themselves in their own monopolies. If I attempt to disrupt this business by avoiding their regulatory capture, police are sent to punish me. Depending upon which laws I violate, I can be sent to jail and end up with years in prison. Prison, where you are kept in stylized cages and your ever waking moment is controlled by others. That is a treatment that I do not see any significant difference from treatment that would be labeled as slavery. I know people this has happened to, and I don't see why people treat it as being somehow justified just because the business went through the process of lobbying (and political donations which only seem different than bribery in name only). And this is ignoring the history of business outright murdering people for protesting for workers' rights.