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This is indistinguishable from something that would be hanging in an art museum, and anyone pretending otherwise only believes so because they know a priori tha

This is indistinguishable from something that would be hanging in an art museum, and anyone pretending otherwise only believes so because they know a priori that it is generated by ML. I certainly couldn't distinguish an individual images from something I might see in a museum. At the same time, scrolling the images felt very different than scrolling through a series of images by a given artist or images from a given show. This is what an image search for cubists and wikiart looks like. Also feels very different. https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNRYdV4hOBO4XBohEQFJfMc_2FUskA%3A1581925273941&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=611&ei=mUNKXs-LN4SU-gSS-4LABw&q=cubist+wikiart&oq=cubist+wikiart https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNRYdV4hOBO... Which is just to say this sequence feels different. I couldn't tell if it's better or worse. It does feel bleak, opaque, oppressive, washed-out. All that is something some art aims for. But it could just be the randomness of the pictures, like they're well-spoken words in a language I don't know.

esjeon 7y ago
The images are somewhat closer to abstract "composition" pieces, which are literally studies on visual composition: https://www.google.com/search?q=composition+abstract+paintings&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=composition+abstract+paintin... I think this is quite expected, since ANN constructs its own view on stuffs, which is basically deconstruction of images into local components, like local color relation and sub-patterns. Global composition and shapes will be destroyed in favor of local composition, which is pretty much what many modern abstract paintings were after. While ANN can mass-produced stuffs like this, that doesn't mean it's gonna replace artists. It's gonna be the opposite: if artists learn through AIs, each of which trained on different sets of data (which can overlap), we will be able to see works in a different level. It's like go players study AlphaGo for new principles that humankind have missed.
- joe_the_user 7y ago
  Thanks for the reference! I think you've reminded of the vocabulary needed to express my impression of the images. IE, That's definitely how the images feel - just texture and composition. The thing is that I think that art involves using texture to "say" something. The artist puts combines represent of the physical world with reference to previous artists and images with composition. Some artists stress one or the other of these things - so that, yeah, a pure composition painting can definitely be "good enough to be in a museum". But a stream of painting like this definitely doesn't feel a museum or art as a whole.

esjeon 7y ago

The images are somewhat closer to abstract "composition" pieces, which are literally studies on visual composition: https://www.google.com/search?q=composition+abstract+paintings&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=composition+abstract+paintin... I think this is quite expected, since ANN constructs its own view on stuffs, which is basically deconstruction of images into local components, like local color relation and sub-patterns. Global composition and shapes will be destroyed in favor of local composition, which is pretty much what many modern abstract paintings were after. While ANN can mass-produced stuffs like this, that doesn't mean it's gonna replace artists. It's gonna be the opposite: if artists learn through AIs, each of which trained on different sets of data (which can overlap), we will be able to see works in a different level. It's like go players study AlphaGo for new principles that humankind have missed.

joe_the_user 7y ago
Thanks for the reference! I think you've reminded of the vocabulary needed to express my impression of the images. IE, That's definitely how the images feel - just texture and composition. The thing is that I think that art involves using texture to "say" something. The artist puts combines represent of the physical world with reference to previous artists and images with composition. Some artists stress one or the other of these things - so that, yeah, a pure composition painting can definitely be "good enough to be in a museum". But a stream of painting like this definitely doesn't feel a museum or art as a whole.