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does the swedish system have sufficient protections in place so that unless your employer thinks the world of you, you won't be let go for 'valid reasons' short

does the swedish system have sufficient protections in place so that unless your employer thinks the world of you, you won't be let go for 'valid reasons' shortly after just to set an example?

sokoloff 7y ago
How would you write the law such that employees couldn’t take the leave then come back and abuse their employment knowing they were protected from being fired for ‘valid reasons’?
- timwaagh 7y ago
  its either a or b. both are fine as higher rates tend to compensate lack of protection. only if a pretends to be b is there a problem. i like clarity.
- Jolter 7y ago
  Employees have that protection, regardless of whether they took a leave of absence or not. So it's not really a question that comes up.
robert_foss 7y ago
You're not 'enployed at will' in Sweden. Meaning you can't be fired for no reason. In fact there is a very short list of valid reasons. Amongst them for example 'work shortage'. If you indeed are fired, you have first dibs if the company decides to hire someone new for a similar position, so firing someone for BS reasons isn't a productive way forward.
- tomschlick 7y ago
  That seems like its very hard to get rid of mediocre employees.
  - robert_foss 7y ago
    Don't promote them. Half of all employees are by definition mediocre firing them is not really a great solution.
  - jonp888 7y ago
    Often you start with a 6 month 'probationary period' when either side can quickly terminate the contract. The employer is supposed to use this time to decide if the employee is 'mediocre' or not. Apart from that you could also be terminated if there is documented evidence that you are failing to perform your job. The uniquely American idea that you can be fired at any time for any reason is for me utterly terrifying and the primary reason I would never want to work in the US.
    - timwaagh 7y ago
      'documented evidence that you are failing to perform your job'. It's the same where i live. But here (nl) it basically means that you can be fired at will anyways. employers will write down their version to set up a case. lawyers dont really try these cases because their rates are high enough employees cant afford a court case. They prefer settling these cases, so you get fired, but you typically get some money. after i found that out, i did not really bother with the whole permanent contract thing at all anymore.
      - ekvilibrist 7y ago
        You should try one of those unions, I heard they are good at these kinds of things...
        timwaagh 7y ago
        They might offer judicial support insurance as part of their membership fee. I have never looked at it, to be honest. It really depends on the price.
        pimmen 7y ago

does the swedish system have sufficient protections in place so that unless your employer thinks the world of you, you won't be let go for 'valid reasons' shortly after just to set an example?

sokoloff 7y ago

How would you write the law such that employees couldn’t take the leave then come back and abuse their employment knowing they were protected from being fired for ‘valid reasons’?

timwaagh 7y ago
its either a or b. both are fine as higher rates tend to compensate lack of protection. only if a pretends to be b is there a problem. i like clarity.
Jolter 7y ago
Employees have that protection, regardless of whether they took a leave of absence or not. So it's not really a question that comes up.

robert_foss 7y ago

You're not 'enployed at will' in Sweden. Meaning you can't be fired for no reason. In fact there is a very short list of valid reasons. Amongst them for example 'work shortage'. If you indeed are fired, you have first dibs if the company decides to hire someone new for a similar position, so firing someone for BS reasons isn't a productive way forward.

tomschlick 7y ago
That seems like its very hard to get rid of mediocre employees.
- robert_foss 7y ago
  Don't promote them. Half of all employees are by definition mediocre firing them is not really a great solution.
- jonp888 7y ago
  Often you start with a 6 month 'probationary period' when either side can quickly terminate the contract. The employer is supposed to use this time to decide if the employee is 'mediocre' or not. Apart from that you could also be terminated if there is documented evidence that you are failing to perform your job. The uniquely American idea that you can be fired at any time for any reason is for me utterly terrifying and the primary reason I would never want to work in the US.
  - timwaagh 7y ago
    'documented evidence that you are failing to perform your job'. It's the same where i live. But here (nl) it basically means that you can be fired at will anyways. employers will write down their version to set up a case. lawyers dont really try these cases because their rates are high enough employees cant afford a court case. They prefer settling these cases, so you get fired, but you typically get some money. after i found that out, i did not really bother with the whole permanent contract thing at all anymore.
    - ekvilibrist 7y ago
      You should try one of those unions, I heard they are good at these kinds of things...
      - timwaagh 7y ago
        They might offer judicial support insurance as part of their membership fee. I have never looked at it, to be honest. It really depends on the price.
        pimmen 7y ago