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That is way unfair to the company, when you will have certain people who are 'happy' to travel 1.5 hours each way. This seems insane to me, but there are plenty

That is way unfair to the company, when you will have certain people who are 'happy' to travel 1.5 hours each way. This seems insane to me, but there are plenty of people who do this and see no issue at all. How would a company hire local anyway, by rejecting candidates who live to far away? What if they promise to move, but don't end up doing it? > Work with cities to reduce congestion? The only real working way to do that is to ask them to introduce a congestion charge, which I am all for.

eru 7y ago
> The only real working way to do that is to ask them to introduce a congestion charge, which I am all for. Works really well where it was pioneered (in Singapore) and also seems to do an OK job in London. I suspect the Brits ain't as ruthless in applying orthodox economics in general, so they don't solve their problems nearly as well including their congestion problems.
- 2zcon 7y ago
  There have been multiple other UK cities with proposals for congestion charges which have been rejected. Transport doesn't really work the same way outside of the M25.
  - eru 7y ago
    The congestion charge applies only to a tiny area inside the M25. The congestion charges in Singapore and London weren't popular when they were introduced either. So not sure what rejection elsewhere tells us?
markovbot 7y ago
Most people aren't 'happy' to commute 1.5 hours each way, but will 'put up with it be afford food'
- bagacrap 7y ago
  I haven't noticed that most automobile commuters look emaciated. If they're commuting that far it's because they want to live in a bigger house in a more affordable neighborhood, or because they NEED to live in a state that has no winter, and not bc it's the only way to stay alive.
outadoc 7y ago
In France this problem is solved by the company compensating for 50% of the commute. Turns out not many people are "happy" about a 3-hour daily commute.
- globuous 7y ago
  I believe that's only if you use public transport through the Pass Navigo. I'm not sure individual tickets are reimbursed, and I'm pretty sure gas isn't either. But getting 50% off of your Navigo, which is a monthly pass allowing you unlimited use of Paris and greater Paris public transports. Which is about 75 euros. So when your are subsidised by your company with respect to public transport, you have unlimited access to all public transport in and around Paris for 38 euros. Which is nuts because the Parisian public transport network is crazy (metros, trams, buses, transiliens, RERs).
  - baud147258 7y ago
    you can get individual tickets reimbursed too, my mom is working part-time around Paris and she keeps her used tickets as a proof of payement. When I was working as a consultant at Alten, in theory my gas could have been reimbursed (based on distance travelled and car horsepower), but I never tried since I used public transport during all my time there.
- benhurmarcel 7y ago
  Only if you come with public transport. They refund half your monthly pass then. There's also a push to apply it to bicycles, but it's not widely implemented so far. But it doesn't apply to car commuting.
mdszy 7y ago
>That is way unfair to the company oh no, the poor poor companies ;((((((
- unethical_ban 7y ago
  There are about 100 reforms to the worker-owner relationship, but I don't know that "paying workers for travel" is one of them. In order for it to be somewhat reasonable and not completely abused one way or the other, you would have to look at worker wages and compare it to living options in the area of the workplace, and about five other things I could brainstorm but don't feel like enumerating at the moment. I hear things are pretty bad in the bay area and other metropolises that have high rent and low wage. Something should be done but I'm not sure this is it.
Justsignedup 7y ago
This is insane. I commute a bit over an hour. Because I cannot afford to live close to my job and rent a place for me and child. It would cost me triple my current rent.

eru 7y ago

> The only real working way to do that is to ask them to introduce a congestion charge, which I am all for. Works really well where it was pioneered (in Singapore) and also seems to do an OK job in London. I suspect the Brits ain't as ruthless in applying orthodox economics in general, so they don't solve their problems nearly as well including their congestion problems.

2zcon 7y ago
There have been multiple other UK cities with proposals for congestion charges which have been rejected. Transport doesn't really work the same way outside of the M25.
- eru 7y ago
  The congestion charge applies only to a tiny area inside the M25. The congestion charges in Singapore and London weren't popular when they were introduced either. So not sure what rejection elsewhere tells us?

markovbot 7y ago

Most people aren't 'happy' to commute 1.5 hours each way, but will 'put up with it be afford food'

bagacrap 7y ago
I haven't noticed that most automobile commuters look emaciated. If they're commuting that far it's because they want to live in a bigger house in a more affordable neighborhood, or because they NEED to live in a state that has no winter, and not bc it's the only way to stay alive.

outadoc 7y ago

In France this problem is solved by the company compensating for 50% of the commute. Turns out not many people are "happy" about a 3-hour daily commute.

globuous 7y ago
I believe that's only if you use public transport through the Pass Navigo. I'm not sure individual tickets are reimbursed, and I'm pretty sure gas isn't either. But getting 50% off of your Navigo, which is a monthly pass allowing you unlimited use of Paris and greater Paris public transports. Which is about 75 euros. So when your are subsidised by your company with respect to public transport, you have unlimited access to all public transport in and around Paris for 38 euros. Which is nuts because the Parisian public transport network is crazy (metros, trams, buses, transiliens, RERs).
- baud147258 7y ago
  you can get individual tickets reimbursed too, my mom is working part-time around Paris and she keeps her used tickets as a proof of payement. When I was working as a consultant at Alten, in theory my gas could have been reimbursed (based on distance travelled and car horsepower), but I never tried since I used public transport during all my time there.
benhurmarcel 7y ago
Only if you come with public transport. They refund half your monthly pass then. There's also a push to apply it to bicycles, but it's not widely implemented so far. But it doesn't apply to car commuting.

mdszy 7y ago

>That is way unfair to the company oh no, the poor poor companies ;((((((

unethical_ban 7y ago
There are about 100 reforms to the worker-owner relationship, but I don't know that "paying workers for travel" is one of them. In order for it to be somewhat reasonable and not completely abused one way or the other, you would have to look at worker wages and compare it to living options in the area of the workplace, and about five other things I could brainstorm but don't feel like enumerating at the moment. I hear things are pretty bad in the bay area and other metropolises that have high rent and low wage. Something should be done but I'm not sure this is it.

Justsignedup 7y ago

This is insane. I commute a bit over an hour. Because I cannot afford to live close to my job and rent a place for me and child. It would cost me triple my current rent.