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My god if apple did something like this people would burn cities down. Why do people still trust Microsoft when their OS is literally a native advertising and t

My god if apple did something like this people would burn cities down. Why do people still trust Microsoft when their OS is literally a native advertising and tracking tool now

dannyw 7y ago
You're literally banned from shipping non-WKWebKit browsers on iOS though...
Pigo 7y ago
Apple is a walled garden
Juminuvi 7y ago
Don't they? Don't they push out new apps which get installed and pinned to the Mac dock after almost every other update without asking first? I could be mistaken, I don't use macs every day.
dooglius 7y ago
Apple is way worse than this, they don't even allow other browsers to exist as anything but shells of theirs!
- Vrondi 7y ago
  Firefox does run just fine on OSX.
  - rhodysurf 7y ago
    hes talking about iOS
nickflood 7y ago
On the other hand google search and youtube show the popup for Chrome when you use any other browser, and was showing for years, and yet nobody's mad at that pretty much identical anti-competitive bundling. But no, if Microsoft tries to prop up their 5% broser share, it's really really bad! (I like Microsoft more than Google)
- Kliment 7y ago
  I'm mad about that. Google can fuck off with that crap. So can microsoft. It's not a competition. It's shit regardless who does it. Obviously people are reacting to this now because it's new and if people react violently enough maybe microsoft will try to score some PR points by removing it, but fuck them both for doing this shit. Same with apple trying to fuck over non-Safari browsers. Fuck them all.
thrower123 7y ago
Apple goes further, and doesn't allow you to install any non-Apple browser on iOS, so... 99% of people do. not. care. about any of the telemetry and tracking hijinks that get us here feather-white. They just want a computer that works, and that they can run Office and video games on. Windows is still the best option there.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
On iOS Apple would just not allow Firefox and be done with it.
- gibspaulding 7y ago
  Ohh wait, on iOS, Apple doesn't allow Firefox, or any other non safari browser. (To use their own rendering engine at least)
lorenzhs 7y ago
It would appear that they do: https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 (the picture shows a desktop notification "Try the new Safari – Fast, energy efficient, and with a beautiful new design." with "Later" and "Try Now" as possible actions, and apparently popped up when the tweet's author opened Chrome), see also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22289499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22289499
- cannam 7y ago
  Yep - this comes up as soon as you open Firefox, each time you install a macOS update. I've just finished updating a Mac to macOS 10.15.3, so I saw this loathsome dialog not five minutes ago. Without having seen what MS are doing in action yet, this really doesn't sound all that different on the face of it. I particularly dislike that the only buttons are Later and Try Now - you can't dismiss it without some measure of acquiescence, the Fuck Off Forever button being unaccountably missing.
  - smileybarry 7y ago
    Microsoft's "ad" amounts to a Start Menu suggestion that doesn't even appear if you turn off "Show suggestions occasionally in Start", nothing like Apple's notification. It doesn't even use a "pop-up"/focus-grabbing UI. (And it can be dismissed by right-click > "Don't show this suggestion") EDIT: I was referring to the ad mentioned in the article, at least. Someone else in this thread pointed out a different Start suggestion: searching "firefox" brings up an extra banner message suggesting Edge, but it doesn't hijack the actual search suggestions or keyboard controls. (i.e.: you don't need to scroll/navigate past it)
jedieaston 7y ago
They do: https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 I've seen this behavior on different Macs with Chrome and Firefox installs, on launch of the other browser the Safari notification pops up. It usually only happens once though.

My god if apple did something like this people would burn cities down. Why do people still trust Microsoft when their OS is literally a native advertising and tracking tool now

dannyw 7y ago

You're literally banned from shipping non-WKWebKit browsers on iOS though...

Pigo 7y ago

Apple is a walled garden

Juminuvi 7y ago

Don't they? Don't they push out new apps which get installed and pinned to the Mac dock after almost every other update without asking first? I could be mistaken, I don't use macs every day.

dooglius 7y ago

Apple is way worse than this, they don't even allow other browsers to exist as anything but shells of theirs!

Vrondi 7y ago
Firefox does run just fine on OSX.
- rhodysurf 7y ago
  hes talking about iOS

nickflood 7y ago

On the other hand google search and youtube show the popup for Chrome when you use any other browser, and was showing for years, and yet nobody's mad at that pretty much identical anti-competitive bundling. But no, if Microsoft tries to prop up their 5% broser share, it's really really bad! (I like Microsoft more than Google)

Kliment 7y ago
I'm mad about that. Google can fuck off with that crap. So can microsoft. It's not a competition. It's shit regardless who does it. Obviously people are reacting to this now because it's new and if people react violently enough maybe microsoft will try to score some PR points by removing it, but fuck them both for doing this shit. Same with apple trying to fuck over non-Safari browsers. Fuck them all.

thrower123 7y ago

Apple goes further, and doesn't allow you to install any non-Apple browser on iOS, so... 99% of people do. not. care. about any of the telemetry and tracking hijinks that get us here feather-white. They just want a computer that works, and that they can run Office and video games on. Windows is still the best option there.

Ididntdothis 7y ago

On iOS Apple would just not allow Firefox and be done with it.

gibspaulding 7y ago
Ohh wait, on iOS, Apple doesn't allow Firefox, or any other non safari browser. (To use their own rendering engine at least)

lorenzhs 7y ago

It would appear that they do: https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 (the picture shows a desktop notification "Try the new Safari – Fast, energy efficient, and with a beautiful new design." with "Later" and "Try Now" as possible actions, and apparently popped up when the tweet's author opened Chrome), see also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22289499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22289499

cannam 7y ago
Yep - this comes up as soon as you open Firefox, each time you install a macOS update. I've just finished updating a Mac to macOS 10.15.3, so I saw this loathsome dialog not five minutes ago. Without having seen what MS are doing in action yet, this really doesn't sound all that different on the face of it. I particularly dislike that the only buttons are Later and Try Now - you can't dismiss it without some measure of acquiescence, the Fuck Off Forever button being unaccountably missing.
- smileybarry 7y ago
  Microsoft's "ad" amounts to a Start Menu suggestion that doesn't even appear if you turn off "Show suggestions occasionally in Start", nothing like Apple's notification. It doesn't even use a "pop-up"/focus-grabbing UI. (And it can be dismissed by right-click > "Don't show this suggestion") EDIT: I was referring to the ad mentioned in the article, at least. Someone else in this thread pointed out a different Start suggestion: searching "firefox" brings up an extra banner message suggesting Edge, but it doesn't hijack the actual search suggestions or keyboard controls. (i.e.: you don't need to scroll/navigate past it)

jedieaston 7y ago

They do: https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 https://twitter.com/mxwllt/status/882190696224083968 I've seen this behavior on different Macs with Chrome and Firefox installs, on launch of the other browser the Safari notification pops up. It usually only happens once though.