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By contract many are. At least in Bizkaia last time I asked is kinda how they got around giving them voting rights. I wonder if now they are giving them contrat

By contract many are. At least in Bizkaia last time I asked is kinda how they got around giving them voting rights. I wonder if now they are giving them contratos indefinidios (full contracts) with no voting rights. But I do know most still cannot vote, and now only 40% have voting rights since Fagor went broke in 2013

neuw84 7y ago
I think this is more related to each company status (and laws). Eroski almost broke and is in "survival mode" right now. As I know the general objective is to be around 60-70%.
- Arkhaine_kupo 7y ago
  So if they get rid of eroski and just privatise it, you think they can go back to 70%? I think lagun aro still not up there in terms of people with vote rights, no? But you work there so you probably know better
  - kgwgk 7y ago
    According to their FAQs: “En las cooperativas del área Industria el porcentaje de socios supera el 80%.” That excludes the other areas (Finance, Retail and Knowledge) and the non-coop companies in the Industry area.
  - neuw84 7y ago
    Well I think the main idea is sanitize it first (at least they are trying) then I suppose that they will be able to "add" more people to the cooperative. From Lagun Aro I do not have exact numbers sorry but I know that the main idea is to have +-60%. For example, right now in my company we are at 50% of people with vote rights because an unprecedented grow in last years (went from 250 to 340 workers in 4 years) with the idea to go back to 60% little by little depending on market conditions. Here are some positive links about Eroski from spanish newpapers. - https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/1558610554_459774.html https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/... - https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-beneficios-y-reduce-su-deu-BC23475703/ https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-benef...
- eb0la 7y ago
  In general retail has razor-thin margins. If I remember well Carrefour and Mercadona were under 2-3%. If you are a retail operating in Spain both rental and energy are the key factors that might take you out of business. Just having a way to 'detect' your energy consumption is going to peak and act before it happens is a huge competitive advantage. For instance, knowing X% your fridges at a location might have a problem and beign able to either cancel/reroute orders in transit is a huge improvement on the P&L.

neuw84 7y ago

I think this is more related to each company status (and laws). Eroski almost broke and is in "survival mode" right now. As I know the general objective is to be around 60-70%.

Arkhaine_kupo 7y ago
So if they get rid of eroski and just privatise it, you think they can go back to 70%? I think lagun aro still not up there in terms of people with vote rights, no? But you work there so you probably know better
- kgwgk 7y ago
  According to their FAQs: “En las cooperativas del área Industria el porcentaje de socios supera el 80%.” That excludes the other areas (Finance, Retail and Knowledge) and the non-coop companies in the Industry area.
- neuw84 7y ago
  Well I think the main idea is sanitize it first (at least they are trying) then I suppose that they will be able to "add" more people to the cooperative. From Lagun Aro I do not have exact numbers sorry but I know that the main idea is to have +-60%. For example, right now in my company we are at 50% of people with vote rights because an unprecedented grow in last years (went from 250 to 340 workers in 4 years) with the idea to go back to 60% little by little depending on market conditions. Here are some positive links about Eroski from spanish newpapers. - https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/1558610554_459774.html https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/... - https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-beneficios-y-reduce-su-deu-BC23475703/ https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-benef...
eb0la 7y ago
In general retail has razor-thin margins. If I remember well Carrefour and Mercadona were under 2-3%. If you are a retail operating in Spain both rental and energy are the key factors that might take you out of business. Just having a way to 'detect' your energy consumption is going to peak and act before it happens is a huge competitive advantage. For instance, knowing X% your fridges at a location might have a problem and beign able to either cancel/reroute orders in transit is a huge improvement on the P&L.