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The number of non owner employees is also growing. The numbers used to be much higher when they had Fagor but they fired most of the work force when it went ban

The number of non owner employees is also growing. The numbers used to be much higher when they had Fagor but they fired most of the work force when it went bankrupt in 2013 and the buying company only opened 700 jobs to replace the old plant. Now a ton of their business is their supermarket branch in Eroski and most are temp workers with obviously no owner rights.

iagovar 7y ago
I always see the same faces in all the Eroskis in my city, are you sure most of them are temp workers?
- Arkhaine_kupo 7y ago
  By contract many are. At least in Bizkaia last time I asked is kinda how they got around giving them voting rights. I wonder if now they are giving them contratos indefinidios (full contracts) with no voting rights. But I do know most still cannot vote, and now only 40% have voting rights since Fagor went broke in 2013
  - neuw84 7y ago
    I think this is more related to each company status (and laws). Eroski almost broke and is in "survival mode" right now. As I know the general objective is to be around 60-70%.
    - Arkhaine_kupo 7y ago
      So if they get rid of eroski and just privatise it, you think they can go back to 70%? I think lagun aro still not up there in terms of people with vote rights, no? But you work there so you probably know better
      - kgwgk 7y ago
        According to their FAQs: “En las cooperativas del área Industria el porcentaje de socios supera el 80%.” That excludes the other areas (Finance, Retail and Knowledge) and the non-coop companies in the Industry area.
      - neuw84 7y ago
        Well I think the main idea is sanitize it first (at least they are trying) then I suppose that they will be able to "add" more people to the cooperative. From Lagun Aro I do not have exact numbers sorry but I know that the main idea is to have +-60%. For example, right now in my company we are at 50% of people with vote rights because an unprecedented grow in last years (went from 250 to 340 workers in 4 years) with the idea to go back to 60% little by little depending on market conditions. Here are some positive links about Eroski from spanish newpapers. - https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/1558610554_459774.html https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/... - https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-beneficios-y-reduce-su-deu-BC23475703/ https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-benef...
    - eb0la 7y ago
      In general retail has razor-thin margins. If I remember well Carrefour and Mercadona were under 2-3%. If you are a retail operating in Spain both rental and energy are the key factors that might take you out of business. Just having a way to 'detect' your energy consumption is going to peak and act before it happens is a huge competitive advantage. For instance, knowing X% your fridges at a location might have a problem and beign able to either cancel/reroute orders in transit is a huge improvement on the P&L.
C1sc0cat 7y ago
Yeh Mondragon is known for some stuff that goes against the coop principals

iagovar 7y ago

I always see the same faces in all the Eroskis in my city, are you sure most of them are temp workers?

Arkhaine_kupo 7y ago
By contract many are. At least in Bizkaia last time I asked is kinda how they got around giving them voting rights. I wonder if now they are giving them contratos indefinidios (full contracts) with no voting rights. But I do know most still cannot vote, and now only 40% have voting rights since Fagor went broke in 2013
- neuw84 7y ago
  I think this is more related to each company status (and laws). Eroski almost broke and is in "survival mode" right now. As I know the general objective is to be around 60-70%.
  - Arkhaine_kupo 7y ago
    So if they get rid of eroski and just privatise it, you think they can go back to 70%? I think lagun aro still not up there in terms of people with vote rights, no? But you work there so you probably know better
    - kgwgk 7y ago
      According to their FAQs: “En las cooperativas del área Industria el porcentaje de socios supera el 80%.” That excludes the other areas (Finance, Retail and Knowledge) and the non-coop companies in the Industry area.
    - neuw84 7y ago
      Well I think the main idea is sanitize it first (at least they are trying) then I suppose that they will be able to "add" more people to the cooperative. From Lagun Aro I do not have exact numbers sorry but I know that the main idea is to have +-60%. For example, right now in my company we are at 50% of people with vote rights because an unprecedented grow in last years (went from 250 to 340 workers in 4 years) with the idea to go back to 60% little by little depending on market conditions. Here are some positive links about Eroski from spanish newpapers. - https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/1558610554_459774.html https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/2019/05/23/companias/... - https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-beneficios-y-reduce-su-deu-BC23475703/ https://www.larazon.es/economia/eroski-cierra-2018-con-benef...
  - eb0la 7y ago
    In general retail has razor-thin margins. If I remember well Carrefour and Mercadona were under 2-3%. If you are a retail operating in Spain both rental and energy are the key factors that might take you out of business. Just having a way to 'detect' your energy consumption is going to peak and act before it happens is a huge competitive advantage. For instance, knowing X% your fridges at a location might have a problem and beign able to either cancel/reroute orders in transit is a huge improvement on the P&L.

C1sc0cat 7y ago

Yeh Mondragon is known for some stuff that goes against the coop principals