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Actually, if you want to run Wayland, and a more powerful GPU than Intel's integrated stuff, AMD has much better support, to the point that running Wayland isn'

Actually, if you want to run Wayland, and a more powerful GPU than Intel's integrated stuff, AMD has much better support, to the point that running Wayland isn't even an option on anything Nvidia (and Intel CPU + Radeon dGPU is relatively rare). Though I'm a bit confused about whether Wayland (as an experimental option) in upcoming Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is even supported. It should be, because X.org's universal trackpad driver sucks compared to what was available in Ubuntu 16.04, and overall gnome-shell feels clunky and a regression compared to Unity. Having just setup a ThinkPad E495 (Ryzen) over the weekend, I'm both impressed with easy out-of-the-box installation, but also seriously disappointed with gnome-shell and the state of Wayland that I'm considering alternatives to it.

antod 7y ago
> Though I'm a bit confused about whether Wayland (as an experimental option) in upcoming Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is even supported. I've been using Wayland out of the box on 19.04 and 19.10 to get fractional scaling and independent DPIs on multiple monitors (Thinkpads of various ages with Intel GPUs). If it's experimental, they've certainly hid that well. It was just a login option on the display manager with no warnings about it during install or later.
- tannhaeuser 7y ago
  That's encouraging to hear - I'll give it a try.
- e12e 7y ago
  Appreciate the experience report. But non-lts releases are by some definitions all "experimental" - I had the impression canonical pushed for Wayland in 18.04,but then walked it back a bit. Hm, Wayland by default in 17.10, then back to optional in 18.04 - and so it might stay: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/xorg-will-default-display-server-ubuntu-18-04-lts https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/xorg-will-default-displa... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=No-Wayland-Default-20.04-LTS https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=No-Wayla... I'm a little surprised, not default for 18.04 made a lot of sense, but I'm not sure why 20.04 won't see a switch.
  - antod 7y ago
    Not being experimental and being the default option are still two different things though. Even in 19.10, while it is installed as part of the default install without experimental warnings, it still isn't the default session option. It is still a very slightly rougher experience than xorg - mainly due to some 3rd party apps not fully handling it yet. But the scaling options more than make up for it with me. One of those features (either fractional scaling or independent DPIs) was still regarded as experimental enough to require a CLI command to enable it though. So, not perfect, but good enough for me.

antod 7y ago

> Though I'm a bit confused about whether Wayland (as an experimental option) in upcoming Ubuntu 20.04 LTS is even supported. I've been using Wayland out of the box on 19.04 and 19.10 to get fractional scaling and independent DPIs on multiple monitors (Thinkpads of various ages with Intel GPUs). If it's experimental, they've certainly hid that well. It was just a login option on the display manager with no warnings about it during install or later.

tannhaeuser 7y ago
That's encouraging to hear - I'll give it a try.
e12e 7y ago
Appreciate the experience report. But non-lts releases are by some definitions all "experimental" - I had the impression canonical pushed for Wayland in 18.04,but then walked it back a bit. Hm, Wayland by default in 17.10, then back to optional in 18.04 - and so it might stay: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/xorg-will-default-display-server-ubuntu-18-04-lts https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/xorg-will-default-displa... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=No-Wayland-Default-20.04-LTS https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=No-Wayla... I'm a little surprised, not default for 18.04 made a lot of sense, but I'm not sure why 20.04 won't see a switch.
- antod 7y ago
  Not being experimental and being the default option are still two different things though. Even in 19.10, while it is installed as part of the default install without experimental warnings, it still isn't the default session option. It is still a very slightly rougher experience than xorg - mainly due to some 3rd party apps not fully handling it yet. But the scaling options more than make up for it with me. One of those features (either fractional scaling or independent DPIs) was still regarded as experimental enough to require a CLI command to enable it though. So, not perfect, but good enough for me.