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Official death toll. Part of me, and a growing number of people online, bet it's in the thousands, and it's being swept under the rug.

postalrat 7y ago
Or you are simply fantasizing about it being true.
- post_break 7y ago
  I don't fantasize about the death of people sorry.
- Aeolun 7y ago
  Possibly, but wouldn’t it be nice to be proven wrong in that case?
- nexuist 7y ago
  It's not a fantasy, but it's also not entirely malicious here. I can't find a source off the top of my head but the way China issues death reports is substantially different than how doctors do it in the West. In China if you die of heart failure while having nCoV-2019, your death certificate reports heart failure instead of the coronavirus. In the West, it would list both reasons as the cause of death. It is theorized that many doctors are listing the cause of death as pneumonia and not coronavirus because of this. It is similarly possible that some people die faster than they are able to be tested (the current test takes about 9 hours to complete). Regardless, it would be foolish to believe this as the golden "actual" number, even ignoring the CCP's (and frankly, other countries') vested interest in fudging these numbers. It would be unlikely that it counts deaths from before the medical community recognized this virus, deaths that have occurred before test results have been returned, and deaths that have occurred outside of the healthcare system (i.e. in quarantined apartments, households, remote villages, or secretive military bases).
  - AlbertoGP 7y ago
    I can't find a source off the top of my head but the way China issues death reports is substantially different than how doctors do it in the West. In China if you die of heart failure while having nCoV-2019, your death certificate reports heart failure instead of the coronavirus. In the West, it would list both reasons as the cause of death. This is one source of that being standard procedure for the flu, from an individual which has been reporting about China in his YouTube channel for years, having lived there: “... but I asked my wife, because she’s a Chinese doctor, I asked her, why is it that China only reports [say] 43 or 53 deaths a year from flu, but in the rest of the world we see these massive numbers, like in America 50K-80K a year? And well, she explained to me very simply: when somebody goes to the hospital in China with a complication, let’s say heart disease, or pneumonia, or you know, any other ailment, and then contracts the flu which then exacerbates that ailment and eventually leads to death, on the death certificate they’ll write down the cause of death as: heart disease, or pneumonia, or whatever that preexisting condition was, not as death from the flu. However in countries like America, if somebody goes and they have a preexisting condition but they die due to complications brought on by the flu, on their death certificate would be written «death due to complications brought on due to influenza», and so it’s marked down as a death caused by flu.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg&t=4m12s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg&t=4m12s BTW, that’s the same video I mentioned in another discussion three days ago: “China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22254414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22254414
    - nexuist 7y ago
      This has also led to the in-joke, "it's impossible to die of the flu in China."
- totalZero 7y ago
  Not exactly a generous interpretation. It's no fantasy to say that China may be lying about the death toll. They lied about SARS deaths, they lied about deaths in Tiananmen Square....anyone who has familiarity with the third world knows that third world governments tend to lie about deaths they caused or could have prevented.

postalrat 7y ago

Or you are simply fantasizing about it being true.

post_break 7y ago
I don't fantasize about the death of people sorry.
Aeolun 7y ago
Possibly, but wouldn’t it be nice to be proven wrong in that case?
nexuist 7y ago
It's not a fantasy, but it's also not entirely malicious here. I can't find a source off the top of my head but the way China issues death reports is substantially different than how doctors do it in the West. In China if you die of heart failure while having nCoV-2019, your death certificate reports heart failure instead of the coronavirus. In the West, it would list both reasons as the cause of death. It is theorized that many doctors are listing the cause of death as pneumonia and not coronavirus because of this. It is similarly possible that some people die faster than they are able to be tested (the current test takes about 9 hours to complete). Regardless, it would be foolish to believe this as the golden "actual" number, even ignoring the CCP's (and frankly, other countries') vested interest in fudging these numbers. It would be unlikely that it counts deaths from before the medical community recognized this virus, deaths that have occurred before test results have been returned, and deaths that have occurred outside of the healthcare system (i.e. in quarantined apartments, households, remote villages, or secretive military bases).
- AlbertoGP 7y ago
  I can't find a source off the top of my head but the way China issues death reports is substantially different than how doctors do it in the West. In China if you die of heart failure while having nCoV-2019, your death certificate reports heart failure instead of the coronavirus. In the West, it would list both reasons as the cause of death. This is one source of that being standard procedure for the flu, from an individual which has been reporting about China in his YouTube channel for years, having lived there: “... but I asked my wife, because she’s a Chinese doctor, I asked her, why is it that China only reports [say] 43 or 53 deaths a year from flu, but in the rest of the world we see these massive numbers, like in America 50K-80K a year? And well, she explained to me very simply: when somebody goes to the hospital in China with a complication, let’s say heart disease, or pneumonia, or you know, any other ailment, and then contracts the flu which then exacerbates that ailment and eventually leads to death, on the death certificate they’ll write down the cause of death as: heart disease, or pneumonia, or whatever that preexisting condition was, not as death from the flu. However in countries like America, if somebody goes and they have a preexisting condition but they die due to complications brought on by the flu, on their death certificate would be written «death due to complications brought on due to influenza», and so it’s marked down as a death caused by flu.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg&t=4m12s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg&t=4m12s BTW, that’s the same video I mentioned in another discussion three days ago: “China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Coronavirus” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22254414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22254414
  - nexuist 7y ago
    This has also led to the in-joke, "it's impossible to die of the flu in China."
totalZero 7y ago
Not exactly a generous interpretation. It's no fantasy to say that China may be lying about the death toll. They lied about SARS deaths, they lied about deaths in Tiananmen Square....anyone who has familiarity with the third world knows that third world governments tend to lie about deaths they caused or could have prevented.