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My wife is mainland Chinese, and she has been saying that it a worse than what the government is saying. Also, since Li Wenliang died, well, frankly a lot of pe

My wife is mainland Chinese, and she has been saying that it a worse than what the government is saying. Also, since Li Wenliang died, well, frankly a lot of people are pissed at the CCP. Anyway, I feel like it’ll be an epidemic ( it already is, I believe ) in China, and be much better controlled outside of China. Unfortunately my wife is also stuck in Chongqing; Taiwan is essentially closing up its borders and we don’t know if she’ll be able to move here to Taiwan to live with me. At least not until things blow over ( I assume summer time ). I live in Taiwan and they’ve been very good at containing this, afaik. Just this morning they released a map of Taiwan with nav-points where all the cruise ship people were at in Taiwan before they went on the ship, and released information on what to do if you experience certain symptoms. 13 people have been diagnosed and quarantined.

ShorsHammer 7y ago
How would you say it is outside of China, are all those governments lying too? 2 deaths now, one of which is in HK. How terrifying. > Anyway, I feel like it’ll be an epidemic So worse than the flu which kills 650,000 people in a bad season? Worse than traffic accidents which kill 1.2 million each year? You should be utterly terrified of cars considering the fear surrounding this mediahype virus Edit: Ahh yes that regular feeling of commenting about China on Hacker/Dunning Kruger News. Good luck folks, hope you all survive this flavour of the month apocalypse unscathed.
zozbot234 7y ago
> Also, since Li Wenliang died, well, frankly a lot of people are pissed at the CCP. This is a pretty irrational reaction if you ask me, the CCP is actually the more open, quasi-democratic side of Chinese government and politics. There are loose 'factions' as part of the CCP that are cautiously pushing for more openness, and the Chinese should be aware of them and be supportive. Frustration and anger are not helpful.
- yspeak 7y ago
  What ?? CCP is the government. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China
chvid 7y ago
I don’t understand what it is that the Chinese authorities are supposedly misreporting? The mortality rate of 2% is consistent with the number of cases and deaths reported by other countries. Is it that there are a large number of undiagnosed cases? That is kind of a given and is probably also the case in other countries. The timespan between first case and until it gets reported to who and quarantines start is less than a month. To me that seems very fast (but I am just a layperson).
- Spare_account 7y ago
  Presumably they could be under-reporting the number of infections and the number of deaths, to keep the mortality rate consistent. I don't know why they would do that, but they are accused of doing this kind of thing frequently. If they sat on the news of the virus for an extended period they might have known the mortality rate they needed to align with long before the rest us.
  - hef19898 7y ago
    If Chinese authorities are under reporting both, death and infections, inorder to drive "true" mortality up that would mean there more unreported people dying in relation to people being infected compared to the reported numbers. And yet every real expert out there is telling us the opposite is more likely because only the more severe cases tend to be reported. And mortality is expected to be lower if the unreported cases are considered. Not sure why laypeople prefer to believe the contrary of what experts are telling us.
    - ryanwaggoner 7y ago
      Every expert is not saying that the infection rate is much higher than the official numbers, but the death rate is reliable. They’re both unreliable and we just don’t know the true numbers. China’s reaction is not comforting though.
      - irq11 7y ago
odiroot 7y ago
My partner is currently in Taiwan. Can you share with me, where do you get reliable local news about the virus? Can be in Mandarin.
- adinobro 7y ago
  If you want official numbers it is now built into WeChat. Go to WeChat Pay -> Health The numbers are updated each day.
- poyu 7y ago
  Just go to any news website, Yahoo is pretty big in Taiwan and they have a special section dedicated to the Coronavirus.
coldtea 7y ago
>My wife is mainland Chinese, and she has been saying that it a worse than what the government is saying. Which could just be the common conspiracy theory suspicions of parts of a population...

ShorsHammer 7y ago

How would you say it is outside of China, are all those governments lying too? 2 deaths now, one of which is in HK. How terrifying. > Anyway, I feel like it’ll be an epidemic So worse than the flu which kills 650,000 people in a bad season? Worse than traffic accidents which kill 1.2 million each year? You should be utterly terrified of cars considering the fear surrounding this mediahype virus Edit: Ahh yes that regular feeling of commenting about China on Hacker/Dunning Kruger News. Good luck folks, hope you all survive this flavour of the month apocalypse unscathed.

zozbot234 7y ago

> Also, since Li Wenliang died, well, frankly a lot of people are pissed at the CCP. This is a pretty irrational reaction if you ask me, the CCP is actually the more open, quasi-democratic side of Chinese government and politics. There are loose 'factions' as part of the CCP that are cautiously pushing for more openness, and the Chinese should be aware of them and be supportive. Frustration and anger are not helpful.

yspeak 7y ago
What ?? CCP is the government. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

chvid 7y ago

I don’t understand what it is that the Chinese authorities are supposedly misreporting? The mortality rate of 2% is consistent with the number of cases and deaths reported by other countries. Is it that there are a large number of undiagnosed cases? That is kind of a given and is probably also the case in other countries. The timespan between first case and until it gets reported to who and quarantines start is less than a month. To me that seems very fast (but I am just a layperson).

Spare_account 7y ago
Presumably they could be under-reporting the number of infections and the number of deaths, to keep the mortality rate consistent. I don't know why they would do that, but they are accused of doing this kind of thing frequently. If they sat on the news of the virus for an extended period they might have known the mortality rate they needed to align with long before the rest us.
- hef19898 7y ago
  If Chinese authorities are under reporting both, death and infections, inorder to drive "true" mortality up that would mean there more unreported people dying in relation to people being infected compared to the reported numbers. And yet every real expert out there is telling us the opposite is more likely because only the more severe cases tend to be reported. And mortality is expected to be lower if the unreported cases are considered. Not sure why laypeople prefer to believe the contrary of what experts are telling us.
  - ryanwaggoner 7y ago
    Every expert is not saying that the infection rate is much higher than the official numbers, but the death rate is reliable. They’re both unreliable and we just don’t know the true numbers. China’s reaction is not comforting though.
    - irq11 7y ago

odiroot 7y ago

My partner is currently in Taiwan. Can you share with me, where do you get reliable local news about the virus? Can be in Mandarin.

adinobro 7y ago
If you want official numbers it is now built into WeChat. Go to WeChat Pay -> Health The numbers are updated each day.
poyu 7y ago
Just go to any news website, Yahoo is pretty big in Taiwan and they have a special section dedicated to the Coronavirus.

coldtea 7y ago

>My wife is mainland Chinese, and she has been saying that it a worse than what the government is saying. Which could just be the common conspiracy theory suspicions of parts of a population...