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If I am reading [1] correctly, NYC needs approx. 1 billion gallons of water per day. So, they would need an array of 12,500 football fields to meet their needs.

If I am reading [1] correctly, NYC needs approx. 1 billion gallons of water per day. So, they would need an array of 12,500 football fields to meet their needs. [1] https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Environment/Water-Consumption-In-The-New-York-City/ia2d-e54m https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Environment/Water-Consumption-...

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zamalek 7y ago
> 1 billion gallons of water per day * How much of that water need be drinkable? * How much of that water can be salinated (e.g. for flushing)? * How much of that water can be partially desalinated (e.g. for showering)?
- ebg13 7y ago
  Indeed. If you do only the drinking water, 2L per person per day for 20 million people is only 10566000 gallons or 132 football fields.
  - MayeulC 7y ago
    And for those who wonder like I did, I counted around fifty of those on that page: https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/football https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/football
    - ebg13 7y ago
      Ok, but if you use those then you don't have anywhere to play. I think more importantly, 132 football fields is about the same as the total floor area of the Pentagon.
      - taneq 7y ago
        Install the solar panels over the football fields as roofing.
        MayeulC 7y ago
        If you can afford it, and/or land/actually mounting the panels is the most expensive part, I'd recommend to install photovoltaic panels instead, though, as they are more versatile. And it would simplify plumbing a lot to put everything in the same place, vs pumping brine up many roofs, and water down again.
- bluGill 7y ago
  This doesn't matter as NYC is built on a river that provides plenty of fresh water every year. It needs to be treated and filtered, but at much less cost than desalination.
  - sbierwagen 7y ago
    Describing the Hudson as drinkable is somewhat ahistorical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_the_Hudson_River https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_the_Hudson_River In any event, NYC gets its water from upstate, not locally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_water_supply_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_water_supply_sys...
    - e12e 7y ago
      Still, compared to space needed for desalination, it's not obvious that the current scheme uses less area (I do assume you can still do some things, like hiking, in most of this area though) : "One of its largest watershed protection programs is the Land Acquisition Program, under which the New York City Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) has purchased or protected, through conservation easement, over 130,000 acres (53,000 ha) since 1997"
- numbsafari 7y ago
  I like your line of thinking, except now you would need to introduce two independent clean water sources, label things appropriately, retrofit all existing plumbing, etc. also, the salt in the water would be corrosive and require totally different infrastructure. In the end, I’m not sure if it wouldn’t just be easier to make sure that all the water is potable.
numbsafari 7y ago
Per the original comment about 5 sq mi: Based on this random article I found from 2015 [1], the average cost per build able sq ft in Manhattan was getting to $1200. So, if you magically found 5 sq miles in NYC, it’d cost around $167.3B just for the land [2]. I’m guessing you’d want to build it outside the city and pump it in via aqueduct. Following the article, an array of off-shore desalinated that pumped water back to the city would probably be the most economically viable solution and could probably be built with other kinds of offshore utility systems to try and share costs. [1] https://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/486631/ https://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/486631/ [2] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%241200+per+square+ft+*+5+square+miles https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%241200+per+square+ft+...
- gpm 7y ago
  New york city is 468.484 sq mi in size... so we're talking about covering 1 to 2% of it in these panels... I'm pretty sure that much roof space is available. Of course it probably makes more sense economically to do it offshore or just have a giant field somewhere outside of NYC and pump the water in, but you could find the space inside the city if you really wanted to.
  - shkkmo 7y ago
    I think you'd lose a bit of efficiency have to pump circulated seawater to the roof tops to not only provide water to desalinate, but also to flush out the accumulated brine overnight.
    - thombat 7y ago
      Those skyscrapers teem with occupants, each with a bladder, each one a source of saline. The spare water and power we use for growing cucumbers in the hydroponic gardens. The waste brine we use for picking those gherkins, which makes the ideal beer-time snack for those occupants as they re-fill their bladders...
mateo411 7y ago
Yes, but they get the majority of their water from the Catskills. Water is delivered using the force of gravity.

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zamalek 7y ago

> 1 billion gallons of water per day * How much of that water need be drinkable? * How much of that water can be salinated (e.g. for flushing)? * How much of that water can be partially desalinated (e.g. for showering)?

ebg13 7y ago
Indeed. If you do only the drinking water, 2L per person per day for 20 million people is only 10566000 gallons or 132 football fields.
- MayeulC 7y ago
  And for those who wonder like I did, I counted around fifty of those on that page: https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/football https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/football
  - ebg13 7y ago
    Ok, but if you use those then you don't have anywhere to play. I think more importantly, 132 football fields is about the same as the total floor area of the Pentagon.
    - taneq 7y ago
      Install the solar panels over the football fields as roofing.
      - MayeulC 7y ago
        If you can afford it, and/or land/actually mounting the panels is the most expensive part, I'd recommend to install photovoltaic panels instead, though, as they are more versatile. And it would simplify plumbing a lot to put everything in the same place, vs pumping brine up many roofs, and water down again.
bluGill 7y ago
This doesn't matter as NYC is built on a river that provides plenty of fresh water every year. It needs to be treated and filtered, but at much less cost than desalination.
- sbierwagen 7y ago
  Describing the Hudson as drinkable is somewhat ahistorical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_the_Hudson_River https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_the_Hudson_River In any event, NYC gets its water from upstate, not locally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_water_supply_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_water_supply_sys...
  - e12e 7y ago
    Still, compared to space needed for desalination, it's not obvious that the current scheme uses less area (I do assume you can still do some things, like hiking, in most of this area though) : "One of its largest watershed protection programs is the Land Acquisition Program, under which the New York City Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) has purchased or protected, through conservation easement, over 130,000 acres (53,000 ha) since 1997"
numbsafari 7y ago
I like your line of thinking, except now you would need to introduce two independent clean water sources, label things appropriately, retrofit all existing plumbing, etc. also, the salt in the water would be corrosive and require totally different infrastructure. In the end, I’m not sure if it wouldn’t just be easier to make sure that all the water is potable.

numbsafari 7y ago

Per the original comment about 5 sq mi: Based on this random article I found from 2015 [1], the average cost per build able sq ft in Manhattan was getting to $1200. So, if you magically found 5 sq miles in NYC, it’d cost around $167.3B just for the land [2]. I’m guessing you’d want to build it outside the city and pump it in via aqueduct. Following the article, an array of off-shore desalinated that pumped water back to the city would probably be the most economically viable solution and could probably be built with other kinds of offshore utility systems to try and share costs. [1] https://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/486631/ https://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/486631/ [2] https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%241200+per+square+ft+*+5+square+miles https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%241200+per+square+ft+...

gpm 7y ago
New york city is 468.484 sq mi in size... so we're talking about covering 1 to 2% of it in these panels... I'm pretty sure that much roof space is available. Of course it probably makes more sense economically to do it offshore or just have a giant field somewhere outside of NYC and pump the water in, but you could find the space inside the city if you really wanted to.
- shkkmo 7y ago
  I think you'd lose a bit of efficiency have to pump circulated seawater to the roof tops to not only provide water to desalinate, but also to flush out the accumulated brine overnight.
  - thombat 7y ago
    Those skyscrapers teem with occupants, each with a bladder, each one a source of saline. The spare water and power we use for growing cucumbers in the hydroponic gardens. The waste brine we use for picking those gherkins, which makes the ideal beer-time snack for those occupants as they re-fill their bladders...

mateo411 7y ago

Yes, but they get the majority of their water from the Catskills. Water is delivered using the force of gravity.