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I haven’t missed the jack for a single day.

by gchokov 7y ago

flir 7y ago
How do you deal with the latency in games?
- zozbot234 7y ago
  BT latency is annoying enough when listening to media. I'm used to pressing the pause button and having the audio stop promptly, with no perceptible delay. The video desync (if applicable) can also be very annoying.
  - tommit 7y ago
    That's odd, I have literally never experienced that before. What kind of setup are you using? I just tried it now, thinking maybe I just never really paid attention to any play/pause delay when listening to music or watching videos. Nope, it's pretty much instant as far as I can tell. I'm using the AirPods Pro and had Gen 1 AirPods before that -- can't recall ever having that problem in the past 3 years.
    - avian 7y ago
      Not GP. It really depends on the device in my experience. My Denon system has seconds of lag over Bluetooth, enough to even make the volume slider on the phone annoying to use. On the other hand, my wireless headphones from Sony have as far as I can tell zero discernable lag. Both used from the same Android phone.
      - Konnstann 7y ago
        Could be the codec they are using. AptX LL is the best for latency as far as I know, but not all headphones support it, and you have to go into developer options to change it. The Denon system might be using LDAC which is higher quality, but sacrificing latency.
- pizza234 7y ago
  I do play (fast) games and don't perceive any latency. However, the number of devices I can connect to my dongle is two; when I add a third, the audio starts to crack.
- tommit 7y ago
  Serious question: do people play mobile games where a slight latency would matter at all? Or are you talking about the overall immersion that goes missing?
  - maple3142 7y ago
    I think it depends on what games are your playing. For rhythm games, headphone jack is a must.
  - flir 7y ago
    Oh, just immersion. Thing on screen blows up, half a second later you hear it blow up is really offputting.
- komali2 7y ago
  Latency is why I'll never "upgrade." I have a pair of Bluetooth earbuds in my gym bag but my backpack has wired earbuds because sometimes I produce music on my laptop. Doing so with Bluetooth latency might not be impossible but it'll be the closest thing to it. And since I don't wanna carry two pairs of headphones around my phone needs to have a headphone jack.
magicalhippo 7y ago
I miss the jack every single day. Recently the wire of my regular ear buds gave up (as they do) and, since I had gotten some BT ones, I decided to use them. They're Jabra Elite Sport, which got good reviews from what I can recall. They're dropping out like crazy. It's seldom to get an entire minute of music without a small dropout. The area around the bus stop at work is particularly bad, with sound drops every few seconds until I get away from that area. I upgraded the firmware and it got a bit better, but still pretty poor. If I hold the phone in my hands and keep still it's usually ok, but as soon as it goes into my pocket, all bets are off. I don't miss the cable tangle, but I miss being able to enjoy music.
- bengale 7y ago
  Maybe try a different set. My AirPods haven't dropped connection a single time I've used them. They connect immediately, and to drop the cliche, just work.
  - magicalhippo 7y ago
    Well yeah I've been thinking about it. But shelling out for some with decent sound only to find that they also suck would really be a bummer, so I'm tempted to just go back to wired.
- neuronic 7y ago
  I am probably adding to the pile of fanboyist Apple blah blah but I honestly think my AirPods are the single best tech purchase I have made in the last 5 years. They took away so much hassle and work exactly like I would expect. AirPods are one fine product for daily casual use. Obviously they aren't going to meet an audiophiles demand at $150 but AirPods Pro might even be enough in that case. My AirPods drop out at the rate of once a month or something. When it happens it's a quick fix and they have been nothing but convenient otherwise. Would never use wired headphones again unless I am trying to analyze a Beethoven piece.
  - that_jojo 7y ago
    I have my $20 wired Sony buds drop out about once every never.
squarefoot 7y ago
I don't miss it as well, though that's because I refuse to buy anything that doesn't expose analog out. The 3.5 jack is certainly not the best engineered piece of hardware and is prone to failure, but that should be rather a motivation to produce a better one than an excuse to remove it.
big_chungus 7y ago
The removal is fine if you generally buy high-end equipment. However, my phone still has one because I have a cheap phone and I don't know what I'd do without the headphone jack. I can use wireless earbuds (which are admittedly nice) for most of the day, but they die and I like having a physical connection. This is especially true of, say, long flights. I also like having a backup pair, but backup pairs of bluetooth earbuds are very pricey.
qubex 7y ago
Not I. I stopped using it well before the iPhone did away with it. I’m deeply suspicious of any hole that pierces my device’s carapace.
toast0 7y ago
As someone who only ocassionally uses audio from my phone, the big problem is airplane movies. Playing the movie is going to use enough battery that I'd like to be plugged in. The dongles are easy to lose. I don't have a set of bluetooth headphones that I use regularly, so I got a pair at the airport, but i need to remember to charge them, and they also don't last for the whole movie. Also, everybody using bluetooth probably contributes to the janky streaming in flight.

I haven’t missed the jack for a single day.

flir 7y ago

How do you deal with the latency in games?

zozbot234 7y ago
BT latency is annoying enough when listening to media. I'm used to pressing the pause button and having the audio stop promptly, with no perceptible delay. The video desync (if applicable) can also be very annoying.
- tommit 7y ago
  That's odd, I have literally never experienced that before. What kind of setup are you using? I just tried it now, thinking maybe I just never really paid attention to any play/pause delay when listening to music or watching videos. Nope, it's pretty much instant as far as I can tell. I'm using the AirPods Pro and had Gen 1 AirPods before that -- can't recall ever having that problem in the past 3 years.
  - avian 7y ago
    Not GP. It really depends on the device in my experience. My Denon system has seconds of lag over Bluetooth, enough to even make the volume slider on the phone annoying to use. On the other hand, my wireless headphones from Sony have as far as I can tell zero discernable lag. Both used from the same Android phone.
    - Konnstann 7y ago
      Could be the codec they are using. AptX LL is the best for latency as far as I know, but not all headphones support it, and you have to go into developer options to change it. The Denon system might be using LDAC which is higher quality, but sacrificing latency.
pizza234 7y ago
I do play (fast) games and don't perceive any latency. However, the number of devices I can connect to my dongle is two; when I add a third, the audio starts to crack.
tommit 7y ago
Serious question: do people play mobile games where a slight latency would matter at all? Or are you talking about the overall immersion that goes missing?
- maple3142 7y ago
  I think it depends on what games are your playing. For rhythm games, headphone jack is a must.
- flir 7y ago
  Oh, just immersion. Thing on screen blows up, half a second later you hear it blow up is really offputting.
komali2 7y ago
Latency is why I'll never "upgrade." I have a pair of Bluetooth earbuds in my gym bag but my backpack has wired earbuds because sometimes I produce music on my laptop. Doing so with Bluetooth latency might not be impossible but it'll be the closest thing to it. And since I don't wanna carry two pairs of headphones around my phone needs to have a headphone jack.

magicalhippo 7y ago

I miss the jack every single day. Recently the wire of my regular ear buds gave up (as they do) and, since I had gotten some BT ones, I decided to use them. They're Jabra Elite Sport, which got good reviews from what I can recall. They're dropping out like crazy. It's seldom to get an entire minute of music without a small dropout. The area around the bus stop at work is particularly bad, with sound drops every few seconds until I get away from that area. I upgraded the firmware and it got a bit better, but still pretty poor. If I hold the phone in my hands and keep still it's usually ok, but as soon as it goes into my pocket, all bets are off. I don't miss the cable tangle, but I miss being able to enjoy music.

bengale 7y ago
Maybe try a different set. My AirPods haven't dropped connection a single time I've used them. They connect immediately, and to drop the cliche, just work.
- magicalhippo 7y ago
  Well yeah I've been thinking about it. But shelling out for some with decent sound only to find that they also suck would really be a bummer, so I'm tempted to just go back to wired.
neuronic 7y ago
I am probably adding to the pile of fanboyist Apple blah blah but I honestly think my AirPods are the single best tech purchase I have made in the last 5 years. They took away so much hassle and work exactly like I would expect. AirPods are one fine product for daily casual use. Obviously they aren't going to meet an audiophiles demand at $150 but AirPods Pro might even be enough in that case. My AirPods drop out at the rate of once a month or something. When it happens it's a quick fix and they have been nothing but convenient otherwise. Would never use wired headphones again unless I am trying to analyze a Beethoven piece.
- that_jojo 7y ago
  I have my $20 wired Sony buds drop out about once every never.

squarefoot 7y ago

I don't miss it as well, though that's because I refuse to buy anything that doesn't expose analog out. The 3.5 jack is certainly not the best engineered piece of hardware and is prone to failure, but that should be rather a motivation to produce a better one than an excuse to remove it.

big_chungus 7y ago

The removal is fine if you generally buy high-end equipment. However, my phone still has one because I have a cheap phone and I don't know what I'd do without the headphone jack. I can use wireless earbuds (which are admittedly nice) for most of the day, but they die and I like having a physical connection. This is especially true of, say, long flights. I also like having a backup pair, but backup pairs of bluetooth earbuds are very pricey.

qubex 7y ago

Not I. I stopped using it well before the iPhone did away with it. I’m deeply suspicious of any hole that pierces my device’s carapace.

toast0 7y ago

As someone who only ocassionally uses audio from my phone, the big problem is airplane movies. Playing the movie is going to use enough battery that I'd like to be plugged in. The dongles are easy to lose. I don't have a set of bluetooth headphones that I use regularly, so I got a pair at the airport, but i need to remember to charge them, and they also don't last for the whole movie. Also, everybody using bluetooth probably contributes to the janky streaming in flight.