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> Only enable Bluetooth if strictly necessary. Keep in mind that most Bluetooth enabled headphones also support wired analog audio. Reason #4373 that ditching
by tjoff 7y ago
> Only enable Bluetooth if strictly necessary. Keep in mind that most Bluetooth enabled headphones also support wired analog audio.
Reason #4373 that ditching the headphone jack is pure insanity.
Sigh.
- gchokov 7y agoI haven’t missed the jack for a single day.
- flir 7y agoHow do you deal with the latency in games?
- zozbot234 7y agoBT latency is annoying enough when listening to media. I'm used to pressing the pause button and having the audio stop promptly, with no perceptible delay. The video desync (if applicable) can also be very annoying.
- tommit 7y agoThat's odd, I have literally never experienced that before. What kind of setup are you using? I just tried it now, thinking maybe I just never really paid attention to any play/pause delay when listening to music or watching videos. Nope, it's pretty much instant as far as I can tell. I'm using the AirPods Pro and had Gen 1 AirPods before that -- can't recall ever having that problem in the past 3 years.
- avian 7y agoNot GP. It really depends on the device in my experience. My Denon system has seconds of lag over Bluetooth, enough to even make the volume slider on the phone annoying to use. On the other hand, my wireless headphones from Sony have as far as I can tell zero discernable lag. Both used from the same Android phone.
- Konnstann 7y agoCould be the codec they are using. AptX LL is the best for latency as far as I know, but not all headphones support it, and you have to go into developer options to change it. The Denon system might be using LDAC which is higher quality, but sacrificing latency.
- pizza234 7y agoI do play (fast) games and don't perceive any latency. However, the number of devices I can connect to my dongle is two; when I add a third, the audio starts to crack.
- tommit 7y agoSerious question: do people play mobile games where a slight latency would matter at all? Or are you talking about the overall immersion that goes missing?
- komali2 7y agoLatency is why I'll never "upgrade." I have a pair of Bluetooth earbuds in my gym bag but my backpack has wired earbuds because sometimes I produce music on my laptop. Doing so with Bluetooth latency might not be impossible but it'll be the closest thing to it. And since I don't wanna carry two pairs of headphones around my phone needs to have a headphone jack.
- magicalhippo 7y agoI miss the jack every single day. Recently the wire of my regular ear buds gave up (as they do) and, since I had gotten some BT ones, I decided to use them. They're Jabra Elite Sport, which got good reviews from what I can recall. They're dropping out like crazy. It's seldom to get an entire minute of music without a small dropout. The area around the bus stop at work is particularly bad, with sound drops every few seconds until I get away from that area. I upgraded the firmware and it got a bit better, but still pretty poor. If I hold the phone in my hands and keep still it's usually ok, but as soon as it goes into my pocket, all bets are off. I don't miss the cable tangle, but I miss being able to enjoy music.
- bengale 7y agoMaybe try a different set. My AirPods haven't dropped connection a single time I've used them. They connect immediately, and to drop the cliche, just work.
- magicalhippo 7y agoWell yeah I've been thinking about it. But shelling out for some with decent sound only to find that they also suck would really be a bummer, so I'm tempted to just go back to wired.
- neuronic 7y agoI am probably adding to the pile of fanboyist Apple blah blah but I honestly think my AirPods are the single best tech purchase I have made in the last 5 years. They took away so much hassle and work exactly like I would expect. AirPods are one fine product for daily casual use. Obviously they aren't going to meet an audiophiles demand at $150 but AirPods Pro might even be enough in that case. My AirPods drop out at the rate of once a month or something. When it happens it's a quick fix and they have been nothing but convenient otherwise. Would never use wired headphones again unless I am trying to analyze a Beethoven piece.
- that_jojo 7y agoI have my $20 wired Sony buds drop out about once every never.
- squarefoot 7y agoI don't miss it as well, though that's because I refuse to buy anything that doesn't expose analog out. The 3.5 jack is certainly not the best engineered piece of hardware and is prone to failure, but that should be rather a motivation to produce a better one than an excuse to remove it.
- big_chungus 7y agoThe removal is fine if you generally buy high-end equipment. However, my phone still has one because I have a cheap phone and I don't know what I'd do without the headphone jack. I can use wireless earbuds (which are admittedly nice) for most of the day, but they die and I like having a physical connection. This is especially true of, say, long flights. I also like having a backup pair, but backup pairs of bluetooth earbuds are very pricey.
- qubex 7y agoNot I. I stopped using it well before the iPhone did away with it. I’m deeply suspicious of any hole that pierces my device’s carapace.
- toast0 7y agoAs someone who only ocassionally uses audio from my phone, the big problem is airplane movies. Playing the movie is going to use enough battery that I'd like to be plugged in. The dongles are easy to lose. I don't have a set of bluetooth headphones that I use regularly, so I got a pair at the airport, but i need to remember to charge them, and they also don't last for the whole movie. Also, everybody using bluetooth probably contributes to the janky streaming in flight.
- maxerickson 7y agoI bet it's not particularly true that most bluetooth headphones support wired analog audio. It may have been a few years ago, not now that the most prominent use case is phones.
- Pxtl 7y agoYeah, I've five sets of bluetooth headphones around my house and only one has a wired port.
- chungus_khan 7y agoNice ones tend to, but most others don't seem to anymore.
- keymone 7y agoI thought I’d be using the adapter but my Apple headphones that come with an iphone are collecting dust for like two years now since I got AirPods. Not going back, couldn’t care less about headphone jack. Now I wish charging port was gone too now just to push the industry even further.
- dobleboble 7y agoThere are enough external peripherals (external microphones, HDMI output, etc.) that are useful that I hope they don't get rid of the lightning port for quite a while.
- protanopia 7y agoPhones already support wireless charging. Why remove wired charging because you don't use it? It is harder to use a phone while it is on a wireless charger vs use a wired charger.
- numpad0 7y agoI can’t cite it but wasn’t there some requirement coming from music industry back in 2010s to remove all analog outputs from devices?
- metaphor 7y agoWhen did the "music industry" start formally steering commercial audio PHY standards? Characteristic impedance alone is all over the map, Apple apparently couldn't align its 3.5mm jack pinout with the rest of de facto industry, and form factor is just one of many inherent market differentiators.
- gruez 7y agoWhy? For DRM?
- numpad0 7y agoI remember it was called “the analog hole” that enables piracy, that was going to be closed by a future date, back somewhere between 2005-2015.
- microcolonel 7y agoWait until they find out that audio can be reproduced with little or no generational loss, because there is always an analog signal (since that's the point of audio).
- chungus_khan 7y agoThe only way to truly stop piracy is obviously to disallow all devices from playing any audio at all.
- numpad0 7y agoActually they've already found out that streaming and subscription slaughters piracy unlike stringent regulations which promotes illegal activities
- rorykoehler 7y agoDon't buy a headphone jackless phone. I haven't and won't ever. I will stop using a phone before I use a jackless one.
- ajsnigrutin 7y agoThe problem is, that it's hard to find an otherwise good phone with a jack. Want good photos, lots of storage, fast cpu, and a good screen? You need a flagship phone. Want security updates for stuff like this now? You're either stuck with Pixel phones or Samsung galaxy S? ones (or iphones)... pixel doesnt have one anymore, galaxy s20 is rumored it wont have one, and iphones don't have one.
- kbenson 7y agoI've been looking to get the new galaxy a51 when it comes out in a week or so as a good mid-range phone, and they've removed the jack on the new a-series phones as well. Pretty soon it will just be one or off brands and the occasional weird model that have them (if it's not already to that point).
- artemist 7y agoI can think of one phone with a great camera and a headphone jack: the Pixel 3a
- komali2 7y agoIf you want a good camera the pixel 3a is there. The Galaxy s10 hit the critics like a storm. It got pretty rave reviews. I'm on an s9 and I guess that'll be my next phone whenever this one dies.
- Ayesh 7y agoXiaomi Note series have FM radio, 3.5mm jack, infrared (make do remote control), 4 lenses (macro, telephoto, and wide angle), and comes at around €225 for 128GB/6GB one. There is no android security update recently, and the current is Nov 2019. But they regularly send security updates unlike other Chinese brands.
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- AdmiralAsshat 7y agoI quickly realized the value of the headphone jack the last time I had to turn my device to Airplane mode and realized I couldn't listen to any music on the plane using my wireless earbuds. Fortunately, my aging GS8+ still has a headphone jack, and I had a pair of analog headphones in my travel bag.
- driverdan 7y agoYou can put a device into airplane mode and still turn on BT.
- MichaelApproved 7y agoI don’t know about GS8+ but older devices don’t let you turn Bluetooth on while in airplane mode.
- marcusjt 7y agoI used to have an S2, S3, S4 and S6 before my S9 and (as far as I can recall) it's always been possible to turn Bluetooth on while in airplane mode. UPDATE: confirmed by later comments in https://androidforums.com/threads/turning-on-bluetooth-in-flight-mode.342227/ https://androidforums.com/threads/turning-on-bluetooth-in-fl...
- BenjiWiebe 7y agoOlder device: 2013 Moto X, Android 5.1. Lets you turn on WiFi, Bluetooth, whatever, with airplane mode on.
- RealStickman 7y agoThat kinda defeats the purpose of airplane mode, doesn't it?
- duckqlz 7y agoNope Bluetooth is ok during a flight.. from the FAA: > Passengers will eventually be able to read e-books, play games, and watch videos on their devices during all phases of flight, with very limited exceptions. Electronic items, books and magazines, must be held or put in the seat back pocket during the actual takeoff and landing roll. Cell phones should be in airplane mode or with cellular service disabled – i.e., no signal bars displayed—and cannot be used for voice communications based on FCC regulations that prohibit any airborne calls using cell phones. If your air carrier provides Wi-Fi service during flight, you may use those services. You can also continue to use short-range Bluetooth accessories, like wireless keyboards. https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=15254 https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsI...
- m-p-3 7y agoEven if I had a jack, I still need bluetooth for my smartwatch.
- qubex 7y agoI’m also still using those SCSI interfaces and keeping a 5¼ floppy drive in case I need to copy something over from punched cards.
- zentiggr 7y agoDon't go dissing that KSR-35 teletype with the paper tape option :) That's how I talked to my 6502 dev board - way better then membrane keyboard!