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That's exactly what it's saying, and I think it's an important message to get our with all of the propaganda against immigrants right now. These are highly moti

by burnte 7y ago

That's exactly what it's saying, and I think it's an important message to get our with all of the propaganda against immigrants right now. These are highly motivated people, not lazy slobs like some people paint them.

DiffEq 7y ago
There is no one type of "immigrant" though either and thus the need for a selection criteria.
- burnte 7y ago
  Sure there is, all immigrants are people who moved here from other nations. They may have different reasons, times, methods, causes, and there may be different subgroups, etc, but there certainly is a single group of immigrants just like there's a single group of Americans, sheep, and pizzas.
  - DiffEq 7y ago
    Surely you understood what I was saying but so we don't talk past one another: Yes there is a category of people called an immigrant that one can define. However when you look at groups or even individuals in that category there are certain differences, many times vast and very meaningful differences, between the things in each of those categories. So to treat the whole group the same would be foolhardy; thus the need for a selection process. If you had to purchase 10 sheep from a group of 100 would you not buy the best sheep you could afford or the best pizza you could afford?
    - burnte 7y ago
      Yes, but if that superior work ethic is a trait more frequently expressed in immigrants than natives, then that's important, and that's the distinction being made here. They didn't look for the best immigrants for this study, this was a study of random immigrants. The entire point is to show how this group called "immigrants" is different, not it's subgroups. The selection criteria itself was immigrant vs non-immigrant. you're saying that's not valid because it should have been more narrow, but it wasn't invalid because they were explicitly looking at the group as a whole.
jeegsy 7y ago
Maybe we should build our people up as a society, as a country rather than depending on draining the "highly motivated" people from their own countries, presumably where they are needed much more. It makes me very sad that as a whole we have lost so much faith in each other.

by burnte 7y ago

DiffEq 7y ago

There is no one type of "immigrant" though either and thus the need for a selection criteria.

burnte 7y ago
Sure there is, all immigrants are people who moved here from other nations. They may have different reasons, times, methods, causes, and there may be different subgroups, etc, but there certainly is a single group of immigrants just like there's a single group of Americans, sheep, and pizzas.
- DiffEq 7y ago
  Surely you understood what I was saying but so we don't talk past one another: Yes there is a category of people called an immigrant that one can define. However when you look at groups or even individuals in that category there are certain differences, many times vast and very meaningful differences, between the things in each of those categories. So to treat the whole group the same would be foolhardy; thus the need for a selection process. If you had to purchase 10 sheep from a group of 100 would you not buy the best sheep you could afford or the best pizza you could afford?
  - burnte 7y ago
    Yes, but if that superior work ethic is a trait more frequently expressed in immigrants than natives, then that's important, and that's the distinction being made here. They didn't look for the best immigrants for this study, this was a study of random immigrants. The entire point is to show how this group called "immigrants" is different, not it's subgroups. The selection criteria itself was immigrant vs non-immigrant. you're saying that's not valid because it should have been more narrow, but it wasn't invalid because they were explicitly looking at the group as a whole.

jeegsy 7y ago

Maybe we should build our people up as a society, as a country rather than depending on draining the "highly motivated" people from their own countries, presumably where they are needed much more. It makes me very sad that as a whole we have lost so much faith in each other.