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It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way.

It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.

PaulRobinson 7y ago
France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".
- Turing_Machine 7y ago
  No, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.
  - busterarm 7y ago
    Don't bother, the rose emoji socialists in this country don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy.
  - mercer 7y ago
    Even Lenin, of all people, argued in favor of a (regulated) market economy. It's a weird of inverse no-true-scotsman argument. I haven't met many socialists who argue in favor of a fully centralized economy. The big discussion, I suppose, is how much should be regulated, and which parts of our society should be 'markets'.
  - solarkraft 7y ago
    Not the real definition, but the definition in most americans' heads. Many probably also conflate those with communism.
- jefurii 7y ago
  Good point. Update: "social democracy" is probably a better term here.
- LegitShady 7y ago
  Those are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.
  - viklove 7y ago
    None of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.
    - LegitShady 7y ago
      This is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.
      - viklove 7y ago
        Bernie never said that, only people like you. Norway follows a system of democratic socialism, which is colloquially referred to as "socialism" by some. They're definitely not capitalistic. You're just presenting the exact same strawman in a different way! It's clear you're arguing in bad faith, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.
growlist 7y ago
'Damn those dastardly Capitalists, underhandedly delivering superior living standards!'
- jefurii 7y ago
  You mean like what the U.S. did to Central American countries during the 80s? OR Vietnam, where we overthrew a democratically elected socialist government and installed a puppet, then dropped napalm on them when the didn't like that?
  - growlist 7y ago
    Where this falls down is that there were other capitalist countries that didn't do the bad things you describe. I challenge you to name a single experiment in communism that didn't lead to worse outcomes.
    - viklove 7y ago
      Communism isn't the only alternative to capitalism, you know that right?

PaulRobinson 7y ago

France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".

Turing_Machine 7y ago
No, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.
- busterarm 7y ago
  Don't bother, the rose emoji socialists in this country don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy.
- mercer 7y ago
  Even Lenin, of all people, argued in favor of a (regulated) market economy. It's a weird of inverse no-true-scotsman argument. I haven't met many socialists who argue in favor of a fully centralized economy. The big discussion, I suppose, is how much should be regulated, and which parts of our society should be 'markets'.
- solarkraft 7y ago
  Not the real definition, but the definition in most americans' heads. Many probably also conflate those with communism.
jefurii 7y ago
Good point. Update: "social democracy" is probably a better term here.
LegitShady 7y ago
Those are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.
- viklove 7y ago
  None of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.
  - LegitShady 7y ago
    This is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.
    - viklove 7y ago
      Bernie never said that, only people like you. Norway follows a system of democratic socialism, which is colloquially referred to as "socialism" by some. They're definitely not capitalistic. You're just presenting the exact same strawman in a different way! It's clear you're arguing in bad faith, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.

growlist 7y ago

'Damn those dastardly Capitalists, underhandedly delivering superior living standards!'

jefurii 7y ago
You mean like what the U.S. did to Central American countries during the 80s? OR Vietnam, where we overthrew a democratically elected socialist government and installed a puppet, then dropped napalm on them when the didn't like that?
- growlist 7y ago
  Where this falls down is that there were other capitalist countries that didn't do the bad things you describe. I challenge you to name a single experiment in communism that didn't lead to worse outcomes.
  - viklove 7y ago
    Communism isn't the only alternative to capitalism, you know that right?