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Capitalism has raised more people out of poverty worldwide than any other system. Thank goodness for capitalism.
by k33n 7y ago
Capitalism has raised more people out of poverty worldwide than any other system. Thank goodness for capitalism.
- commandlinefan 7y agoThe people at the bottom of the capitalist pyramid are still better off than the people at the second-tier of the communist pyramid.
- mordae 7y agoFor how long?
- LegitShady 7y agoLonger than the viable lifetime of a communist country.
- jefurii 7y agoIt'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.
- PaulRobinson 7y agoFrance, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".
- Turing_Machine 7y agoNo, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.
- busterarm 7y agoDon't bother, the rose emoji socialists in this country don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy.
- mercer 7y agoEven Lenin, of all people, argued in favor of a (regulated) market economy. It's a weird of inverse no-true-scotsman argument. I haven't met many socialists who argue in favor of a fully centralized economy. The big discussion, I suppose, is how much should be regulated, and which parts of our society should be 'markets'.
- solarkraft 7y agoNot the real definition, but the definition in most americans' heads. Many probably also conflate those with communism.
- jefurii 7y agoGood point. Update: "social democracy" is probably a better term here.
- LegitShady 7y agoThose are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.
- viklove 7y agoNone of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.
- LegitShady 7y agoThis is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.
- viklove 7y agoBernie never said that, only people like you. Norway follows a system of democratic socialism, which is colloquially referred to as "socialism" by some. They're definitely not capitalistic. You're just presenting the exact same strawman in a different way! It's clear you're arguing in bad faith, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.
- growlist 7y ago'Damn those dastardly Capitalists, underhandedly delivering superior living standards!'
- jefurii 7y agoYou mean like what the U.S. did to Central American countries during the 80s? OR Vietnam, where we overthrew a democratically elected socialist government and installed a puppet, then dropped napalm on them when the didn't like that?
- growlist 7y agoWhere this falls down is that there were other capitalist countries that didn't do the bad things you describe. I challenge you to name a single experiment in communism that didn't lead to worse outcomes.
- viklove 7y agoCommunism isn't the only alternative to capitalism, you know that right?
- lbrooks 7y agoIf you don't like capitalism go to a socialist country.
- TOGoS 7y agoGreat idea. Unfortunately every time people elect a socialist government the US backs a right-wing coup. So we gotta do it here, I guess.
- busterarm 7y agoNice meme, but doesn't exactly jive with the facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states
- TOGoS 7y agoSocialism, noun, "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." In how many of those states is that actually true? Maybe Cuba (which the US has been trying to overthrow for decades), and Kurdistan (oops guess who was completely abandoned by the US even though they were instrumental in defeating ISIS?), which that page doesn't even mention. The rest are some form of state capitalism. Certainly China is. Unless you think the workers democratically decided that being paid starvation wages to work in electronics factories to make cheap stuff for Americans was a good idea.