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>That is infanticide. Humane infanticide. But we can all play that game by picking very selective definitions despite knowing that is not what the other person

>That is infanticide. Humane infanticide. But we can all play that game by picking very selective definitions despite knowing that is not what the other person means. >They don't care about the baby, and they CERTAINLY don't care about the mother. How do you know the intentions of the people making such statements? Is this any better than those who make similar assumptions about those who fight for pro-choice positions? >They just want to stir up shit and get people yelling. Also known as engaging voters to increase voter turn out. A valuable strategy to increase voter participation when my team does it, a despicable tactic to push partisan laws when the other team does it. >And because they assume that all people are as amoral (or immoral) as they are And now you are labeling them as amoral and hinting at possibly being immoral? This goes pretty well beyond engaging in honest discourse, no?

AlexandrB 7y ago
> How do you know the intentions of the people making such statements? Is this any better than those who make similar assumptions about those who fight for pro-choice positions? Because there's a historically consistent set of beliefs that goes along with being pro-life that includes de-funding medicare, public health, and SNAP thus letting new and expectant mothers fend for themselves. Edit: There's a reason the US has the highest infant mortality rate in the developed world[1]. [1] https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#item-about-a-third-of-infant-deaths-in-the-u-s-occur-a-month-or-more-after-birth https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-...
- SkyBelow 7y ago
  There are more than one. Some do believe in that, some don't. One thing to consider is that when it comes to abortions, the majority support banning some forms of abortion and the majority support legalizing some forms of abortion, with late term abortions being more in the ban category (and lots of fun with all the sorts of exceptions people want to add). This shows that the stereotypical pro-choice and pro-life views are both in the minority and do not describe the majority. Yes, some people are against abortion and many programs that stop the need for abortions. But even their reasoning is often based on their own beliefs that they are acting in the best interest of the child. Also, there is a distinction between supporting laws preventing harmful actions and supporting laws causing supportive actions. For example, most everyone here would support banning killing of 10 year old children regardless of where in the world they live by citizens from their home country, but generally few here would support SNAP, WIC, and medicare, or their country equivalents, being expanded as is to cover all those same children. Does this mean they don't care to protect those children? Such views would quickly lead to the conclusion that either you fully dedicate yourself 100% to fixing every possible wrong or else you don't care about anyone.

AlexandrB 7y ago

> How do you know the intentions of the people making such statements? Is this any better than those who make similar assumptions about those who fight for pro-choice positions? Because there's a historically consistent set of beliefs that goes along with being pro-life that includes de-funding medicare, public health, and SNAP thus letting new and expectant mothers fend for themselves. Edit: There's a reason the US has the highest infant mortality rate in the developed world[1]. [1] https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#item-about-a-third-of-infant-deaths-in-the-u-s-occur-a-month-or-more-after-birth https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-...

SkyBelow 7y ago
There are more than one. Some do believe in that, some don't. One thing to consider is that when it comes to abortions, the majority support banning some forms of abortion and the majority support legalizing some forms of abortion, with late term abortions being more in the ban category (and lots of fun with all the sorts of exceptions people want to add). This shows that the stereotypical pro-choice and pro-life views are both in the minority and do not describe the majority. Yes, some people are against abortion and many programs that stop the need for abortions. But even their reasoning is often based on their own beliefs that they are acting in the best interest of the child. Also, there is a distinction between supporting laws preventing harmful actions and supporting laws causing supportive actions. For example, most everyone here would support banning killing of 10 year old children regardless of where in the world they live by citizens from their home country, but generally few here would support SNAP, WIC, and medicare, or their country equivalents, being expanded as is to cover all those same children. Does this mean they don't care to protect those children? Such views would quickly lead to the conclusion that either you fully dedicate yourself 100% to fixing every possible wrong or else you don't care about anyone.