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Microsoft has never been shy about partnering with former enemies/competitors. We tend to forget Apple would probably be gone if Microsoft hadn't bailed them ou

Microsoft has never been shy about partnering with former enemies/competitors. We tend to forget Apple would probably be gone if Microsoft hadn't bailed them out in 97 (not out of altruism but because of antitrust). Linux is also first class on Azure. I don't think they would care about the Netscape thing.

perl4ever 7y ago
"if Microsoft hadn't bailed them out in 97" This is a myth. Apple always had massive amounts of cash even at their low point when people considered them worth barely more than their cash.
- outworlder 7y ago
  Don't forget that the re-engineered Microsoft Office was made available on OSX not long afterwards. That move alone (plus Bill Gates' appearance at an Apple event) might have saved the platform, not only by making it more attractive to users, but also by giving the platform more credibility with larger enterprises.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Microsoft was one of the first developers for the Mac. Word, Excel and PowerPoint were on Macs since the 80s.
    - alwillis 7y ago
      Excel 1.0 shipped on the Macintosh in 1985: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel#Apple_Macintosh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel#Apple_Macintos...
    - Narishma 7y ago
      They even started on the Mac before being ported to Windows. At least Excel did, not sure about the other two.
- solarkraft 7y ago
  "bail out" doesn't necessarily mean lending cash in this case, but getting them back into business in general.
alwillis 7y ago
We tend to forget Apple would probably be gone if Microsoft hadn't bailed them out in 97 (not out of altruism but because of antitrust). What “saved” Apple was the iMac in 1998, not Microsoft. Microsoft bought $150 million in non-voting stock in Apple as a show of good faith. Apple made Internet Explorer the default browser for the Mac and Microsoft committed to Office for the Mac. At the time, Internet Explorer 5 for the Mac was the best browser on any platform. After the 5 year period, Microsoft sold those shares, making a huge profit. At the end of the 5-year agreement, Apple shipped Safari 1.0, based on the KHTML codebase and the rest, as they say, is history. Ironically, Microsoft's browser is now based on a fork of the engine of the browser that replaced IE on the Mac back in the day.
- ensiferum 7y ago
  Webkit and blink is not the whole browser engine however but just a HTML/CSS layout engine.
- ksec 7y ago
  >Microsoft bought $150 million in non-voting stock in Apple as a show of good faith. Well there was the legal battle going on between the two as well. So you could think of IE, Office, 150M stock was part of the package.

perl4ever 7y ago

"if Microsoft hadn't bailed them out in 97" This is a myth. Apple always had massive amounts of cash even at their low point when people considered them worth barely more than their cash.

outworlder 7y ago
Don't forget that the re-engineered Microsoft Office was made available on OSX not long afterwards. That move alone (plus Bill Gates' appearance at an Apple event) might have saved the platform, not only by making it more attractive to users, but also by giving the platform more credibility with larger enterprises.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Microsoft was one of the first developers for the Mac. Word, Excel and PowerPoint were on Macs since the 80s.
  - alwillis 7y ago
    Excel 1.0 shipped on the Macintosh in 1985: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel#Apple_Macintosh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel#Apple_Macintos...
  - Narishma 7y ago
    They even started on the Mac before being ported to Windows. At least Excel did, not sure about the other two.
solarkraft 7y ago
"bail out" doesn't necessarily mean lending cash in this case, but getting them back into business in general.

alwillis 7y ago

We tend to forget Apple would probably be gone if Microsoft hadn't bailed them out in 97 (not out of altruism but because of antitrust). What “saved” Apple was the iMac in 1998, not Microsoft. Microsoft bought $150 million in non-voting stock in Apple as a show of good faith. Apple made Internet Explorer the default browser for the Mac and Microsoft committed to Office for the Mac. At the time, Internet Explorer 5 for the Mac was the best browser on any platform. After the 5 year period, Microsoft sold those shares, making a huge profit. At the end of the 5-year agreement, Apple shipped Safari 1.0, based on the KHTML codebase and the rest, as they say, is history. Ironically, Microsoft's browser is now based on a fork of the engine of the browser that replaced IE on the Mac back in the day.

ensiferum 7y ago
Webkit and blink is not the whole browser engine however but just a HTML/CSS layout engine.
ksec 7y ago
>Microsoft bought $150 million in non-voting stock in Apple as a show of good faith. Well there was the legal battle going on between the two as well. So you could think of IE, Office, 150M stock was part of the package.