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I believe this was released as part of Tesla's Autopilot hiring announcement. More details here: https://www.tesla.com/autopilotAI https://www.tesla.com/autopi

I believe this was released as part of Tesla's Autopilot hiring announcement. More details here: https://www.tesla.com/autopilotAI https://www.tesla.com/autopilotAI Definitely someone's dream job ;) I particularly like the applicant query: "Tell us, what extraordinary work you have done?"

Traster 7y ago
Two issues, first: I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? Second, don't Tesla & SpaceX have a reputation for being a terrible place to work, with Musk expecting everyone to be working as hard (or harder) than him, and firing people in weird and capricious ways.
- anchpop 7y ago
  > I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? It was, but software often goes over-schedule, especially in a brand new field.
  - FireBeyond 7y ago
    The prudent thing to do there, would be to exercise prudence. Not announce to investors and the public ever more grandiose targets after each miss. As it is we're on about Autonomous Driving Promise Mk IV from Musk, "fully autonomous, coast to coast, by the end of 2020". (That's after 2018 was missed. Which was after 2016 was missed.)
    - optimiz3 7y ago
      > Not announce to investors and the public ever more grandiose targets after each miss. Those poor investors are really taking it on the chin today because of those overly optimistic software projections!
      - mrich 7y ago
        A massive short-squeeze/bitcoin-like retail bubble is certainly not indicative of the strength of the company. Look at the last earnings report, it wasn't impressive for a growth company.
        optimiz3 7y ago
        More capital volume happened on TSLA today than SPY. Do you think that's a retail bubble? Only the top 1% of global asset controllers have the ability to do that.
        mrich 7y ago
        Why do you think it's appreciating? Do you believe that volume comes from large asset controllers going long at that price level?
        optimiz3 7y ago
        Couldn't find the source but supposedly today was long buying as opposed to short covering. One theory is funds buying ahead of S&P 500 inclusion. E: https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1224362065906872322 https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1224362065906872322
        mrich 7y ago
        That sounds plausible, thanks!
    - xkjkls 7y ago
      Especially not when they are literally accepting money for the feature, which they have consistently estimated wrong timelines on.
- jsight 7y ago
  I've gotten the impression that the "firing people in weird and capricious ways" bit has been greatly exaggerated. I do think anyone taking this has to expect grueling and challenging work. The job description practically demands that.
  - scrumbledober 7y ago
    Anecdotal evidence here, but I have a friend who worked in their palo alto office for several years. One day as Elon was walking through the Fremont factory he saw a large empty floor space and asked someone why there were no workers occupying that space. It was then decided that her job would be moved from Palo Alto to Fremont. She was not fired in a weird and capricious way, but she was managed out of the company in a weird and capricious way, and that was less than a year ago.
    - kwhitefoot 7y ago
      That happens in pretty much all big companies.
    - jsight 7y ago
      I do not doubt your story at all and have heard a few similar stories. My comment was specifically about the Business Insider story that someone else linked, as I feel like that one was exaggerated.
  - arexxbifs 7y ago
    I don't doubt for a second that people like Musk (and before him for example Steve Jobs and Jack Tramiel) can be very demanding and sometimes difficult to work for. I also don't doubt for a second that a lot of the stories told have a sour grapes quality to them: If you're good at the kind of job they're offering, you can easily find employment somewhere else and you're also probably smart enough to move on of your own volition, before being capriciously fired. I worked for an erratic, sociopathic boss once. I quit after about six months. Unless you're a masochist or truly have no other options, you'll soon realize it's not worth whatever extra money or prestige the company name might possibly come with.
- Reedx 7y ago
  It's pretty clear at this point what you're signing up for at Tesla and SpaceX. They're intentionally trying to filter for people who will dedicate much of their life to the mission of electrifying transport and becoming interplanetary. If you want to do that, there are few better options. If you don't, avoid. As for firing, well, who knows... The story about Elon's assistant was apparently rife with misinformation, as these things often are.
- xiphias2 7y ago
  - I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? One thing that Elon did is gathering lots of video data instead of perfecting LIDAR, and at this point it seems that he was right: until detecting objects in 3D from video data is completely solved, self driving can't work. After it's solved, LIDAR is not needed. - Tesla & SpaceX have a reputation for being a terrible place to work When I'm looking for jobs, my main criteria is market cap / number of employees, and Tesla (as most startups/small companies) was very bad before the stock price went up. Now with high stock prices Tesla can afford to pay market rates (even if it's in stock).
  - justapassenger 7y ago
    > When I'm looking for jobs, my main criteria is market cap / number of employees, and Tesla (as most startups/small companies) was very bad before the stock price went up. Now with high stock prices Tesla can afford to pay market rates (even if it's in stock). All big companies grant stock based on monetary value at the time of the grant. If you join company X when their stock went up 2x, stock grant will be smaller 2x. You can get market rate, from historically underperforming company, only if you got grants that appreciated, don't expect grants to improve pay rate.
  - xkjkls 7y ago
    > When I'm looking for jobs, my main criteria is market cap / number of employees, and Tesla (as most startups/small companies) was very bad before the stock price went up. Now with high stock prices Tesla can afford to pay market rates (even if it's in stock). You don't care about the work culture at all?
    - xiphias2 7y ago
      Of course I care, it's just in my experience it's much easier for a company to provide any kind of benefits when the company has money for employees. Before 2008 when I was working at Google, we were just getting more and more fun stuff all the time, and it seemed like it's never ending. I was together with about 200 people in the Zurich office. After the stock price went down, although we just had a hiring stop, the food got worse, the bonuses got smaller, and later every new year more and more people came, the stock went up, but the benefits got worse every year until the point where you have to stand in a queue to go to toilet if you are a male. I think Google is still a great place to work at, but very far from what it was 13 years ago.
- axguscbklp 7y ago
  >I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? Musk was bullshitting when he made that prediction. Maybe he did it because he had bought his own bullshit. Personally I think what's more likely is that he was cynically conning people. In reality, I think no-one is anywhere close to fully self driving cars. I would be surprised if we saw fully self driving cars any time in the next 50 years. The whole field of fully self driving cars has been astonishingly full of empty hype, for some reason often believed by otherwise quite smart people.
  - spookthesunset 7y ago
    > for some reason often believed by otherwise quite smart people I don't understand why so many smart "tech people" fall for the hype. Maybe it is because "machine learning" is just abstract enough that even the most jaded developer thinks they can treat it like a black box where if you pour enough videos, photos and LIDAR readings for training into the top it will somehow spit out a fully autonomous self driving car at the bottom. I do find it funny though. On the one hand Alexa only manages to turn on the lights successfully 50% of the time yet somehow we will magically have self driving cars capable of safely navigating the roads any day now. I mean for fsck sake, we don't even have a thing that can wash and fold clothes automatically but somehow self driving cars will be on the market any day. Like, if we cannot even get voice recognition to work right, how on earth will you tell this magical car which street parking spot to take in a busy city? How will you tell it to pull over to pick up a friend? Hell, how will you tell it to go through a drive-through at McDonalds? A touchscreen?
    - jodrellblank 7y ago
      The way you suggest the future of automotive transport rests on a fast food chain drive through suggests a kind of astroturfing social media advert. If burgers were that important, the burger company would partner with the self driving car company and find a way. None of those things are physically complex - the car will be able to see or lidar if a space is big enough for it to park in, pulling over to pick up a friend is no different to pulling over to let you out at your destination, and a drive-through is moving forwards slowly and steering a bit like all low speed driving is. None of them require the dexterity of folding soft wet fabric, and the market for $30,000+ vehicles is much larger than the market for $30,000+ washing machines. One simple answer is: you don't. Self-driving car owned by <car company. takes you from A to B and you get out. You don't choose the parking spot anymore than you chose the lane or the highway exit, you don't pick up a friend they take their own separate ride, and you don't use the drive through, you use <car company>'s food delivery service.
- nickik 7y ago
  Tesla and SpaceX, specially SpaceX has been rated very highly in some rating I have seen. But there is a reputation that it is a lot of work specially in crunch time.
  - Seenso 7y ago
    >> Tesla & SpaceX have a reputation for being a terrible place to work, with Musk expecting everyone to be working as hard (or harder) than him, and firing people in weird and capricious ways. > specially SpaceX has been rated very highly in some rating I have seen. IIRC, SpaceX has a COO who handles much of the day-to-day management, so the employees there are shielded from much of Musk's management style.
    - Rebelgecko 7y ago
      I may have a biased sample because I know more former SpaceX employees than current ones (and I'm sure it varies from team to team), but being overworked is the #1 complaint I've heard. Like, to the point where someone working 60 hour weeks is considered a slacker because they take Sundays off.
  - xkjkls 7y ago
    https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Tesla-Reviews-E43129.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Tesla-Reviews-E43129.htm 3.3 is not a high review.
    - jdc 7y ago
      Space X is at 4.4 though https://www.glassdoor.ca/Reviews/space-x-reviews-SRCH_KE0,7.htm https://www.glassdoor.ca/Reviews/space-x-reviews-SRCH_KE0,7....
- zaroth 7y ago
  > I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? That is not what Elon predicted at Autonomy Day last April. He thought they would be feature-complete by the end of 2019, which is to say, that all the basic code paths necessary for best case city driving would be functional. If you've done software development, you understand that getting to "feature-complete" is different from "code-complete", which is also different from "Beta", which is different from "GA". Those are each progressively later stages in the software development / release cycle. Feature complete is merely the day that you can say that there is some functional code in place for all of the code paths that you expect to write. You would expect to be able to do an internal demo showing all the functionality working in the "happy case" at that point. Usually QA has not really even begun in earnest at this point. It is by no means the point where development is "done", which is for FSD in fact, approximately, never. Code complete isn't always distinguished from feature complete, but in my experience, code complete would contemplate negative testing, error handling, and alternative processing modes which might not have been implemented at the point of "feature complete". Code complete typically signifies that from that point forward only bug fixes will be added into the next release. Some projects can reasonable be expected to remain in testing, validation, and certification for several years after the point of "code complete".
  - karpodiem 7y ago
    He said a million self driving vehicles would be on the streets a year from FSD day. To try to say the hardware for FSD is now present in 1M vehicles (which I doubt) is disingenuous to the insinuation Elon made that FSD is right around the corner. They're not meaningfully closer to FSD today than they were three years ago. Somewhat closer? Sure. A few feet on a journey that's a few miles though.
    - bdamm 7y ago
      Looking at how much has happened over the last two months though it seems that they are on the verge of something big. I'm on pins just waiting for stop light and stop sign detection to be integrated into lane keeping. They're already seeing them, they just need to put that data into action. In terms of my personal driving that'll be pretty big, road trips get a lot shorter when my attention isn't forced. Turns through intersections is another area where Tesla's current implementation needs a lot of help (read: can barely do it at all) but should be within range soon given where they are at. And lane splits in city streets is definitely something the Tesla implementation is going to need to get better at before really making it door-to-door. It's a very exciting, even historic time for self driving. But yeah, taxi fleets are a ways out. There's a turn in the road just a 1/2 mile from my house where my Model 3 gives up every time.
WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago
"Tell us, what extraordinary work you have done?" I wrote code that worked.... I like boring things.
- daniel2x 7y ago
  You may be trying to sound snarky, but that is truly extraordinary in todays world!
  - 72deluxe 7y ago
    Too right! I seem to be encoutering garbage software all the time, either in use, or by expanding an existing project (including widely available, popular OS projects). Sometimes it's my own code.
- agumonkey 7y ago
  I like to check for ranges and limits
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    Big fan of treating all inputs and outputs to and from functions as hostile. So parameters and return values as well. Always interesting how fast the bugs turn up once you start enforcing that.
    - agumonkey 7y ago
      partial evaluation much
    - eru 7y ago
      Yes. See eg https://hillelwayne.com/talks/beyond-unit-tests/ https://hillelwayne.com/talks/beyond-unit-tests/
  - m463 7y ago
    would that more languages let you do this proactively.
Shivetya 7y ago
while an interesting video I really want to see the entire front arc stitched together. How is it judging it is safe to go through the stop sign? Situations like that fascinate me the most. One issue not discussed enough is all this push for automation really needs road marking guidelines pushed down from the Federal level. While the feds can hold domain over the interstate system or roads it can be maddening the differences on right of way rules to simple markings at state level
- spookthesunset 7y ago
  > One issue not discussed enough is all this push for automation really needs road marking guidelines pushed down from the Federal level Who will fund that in a way that ensures a timely rollout (as in "sometime this century")? Who will pay to maintain it? Unfortunately, self driving cars are just gonna have to deal with infrastructure as-built.
- phkahler 7y ago
  >> One issue not discussed enough is all this push for automation really needs road marking guidelines pushed down from the Federal level. That would be a mistake. You don't take a safety critical system and rely on a nationwide beauracracy getting all the details right to make it safe, or even effective. We've had the discussion here before, and the only way for full level 5 autonomy is a general AI capable of most everything a human is. Until people realize that it will be an endless stream of "we just need to fix these corner cases" or put more constraints on the physical world because the cars aren't smart enough.
  - toufka 7y ago
    Isn't that exactly what the federal government has done to extrodinary success with the interstate system? The interstates follow very strict and powerful standards that make us all so much safer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Association_of_State_Highway_and_Transportation_Officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Association_of_State_...
    - 7y ago
xkjkls 7y ago
Honestly, I don't know how often that question ever warrants good responses. From my experience, most hiring comes from interviewing people who resumes show they're pretty obviously qualified, rather than questions like this from the beginning.

Traster 7y ago

Two issues, first: I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? Second, don't Tesla & SpaceX have a reputation for being a terrible place to work, with Musk expecting everyone to be working as hard (or harder) than him, and firing people in weird and capricious ways.

anchpop 7y ago
> I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? It was, but software often goes over-schedule, especially in a brand new field.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  The prudent thing to do there, would be to exercise prudence. Not announce to investors and the public ever more grandiose targets after each miss. As it is we're on about Autonomous Driving Promise Mk IV from Musk, "fully autonomous, coast to coast, by the end of 2020". (That's after 2018 was missed. Which was after 2016 was missed.)
  - optimiz3 7y ago
    > Not announce to investors and the public ever more grandiose targets after each miss. Those poor investors are really taking it on the chin today because of those overly optimistic software projections!
    - mrich 7y ago
      A massive short-squeeze/bitcoin-like retail bubble is certainly not indicative of the strength of the company. Look at the last earnings report, it wasn't impressive for a growth company.
      - optimiz3 7y ago
        More capital volume happened on TSLA today than SPY. Do you think that's a retail bubble? Only the top 1% of global asset controllers have the ability to do that.
        mrich 7y ago
        Why do you think it's appreciating? Do you believe that volume comes from large asset controllers going long at that price level?
        optimiz3 7y ago
        Couldn't find the source but supposedly today was long buying as opposed to short covering. One theory is funds buying ahead of S&P 500 inclusion. E: https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1224362065906872322 https://twitter.com/ihors3/status/1224362065906872322
        mrich 7y ago
        That sounds plausible, thanks!
  - xkjkls 7y ago
    Especially not when they are literally accepting money for the feature, which they have consistently estimated wrong timelines on.
jsight 7y ago
I've gotten the impression that the "firing people in weird and capricious ways" bit has been greatly exaggerated. I do think anyone taking this has to expect grueling and challenging work. The job description practically demands that.
- scrumbledober 7y ago
  Anecdotal evidence here, but I have a friend who worked in their palo alto office for several years. One day as Elon was walking through the Fremont factory he saw a large empty floor space and asked someone why there were no workers occupying that space. It was then decided that her job would be moved from Palo Alto to Fremont. She was not fired in a weird and capricious way, but she was managed out of the company in a weird and capricious way, and that was less than a year ago.
  - kwhitefoot 7y ago
    That happens in pretty much all big companies.
  - jsight 7y ago
    I do not doubt your story at all and have heard a few similar stories. My comment was specifically about the Business Insider story that someone else linked, as I feel like that one was exaggerated.
- arexxbifs 7y ago
  I don't doubt for a second that people like Musk (and before him for example Steve Jobs and Jack Tramiel) can be very demanding and sometimes difficult to work for. I also don't doubt for a second that a lot of the stories told have a sour grapes quality to them: If you're good at the kind of job they're offering, you can easily find employment somewhere else and you're also probably smart enough to move on of your own volition, before being capriciously fired. I worked for an erratic, sociopathic boss once. I quit after about six months. Unless you're a masochist or truly have no other options, you'll soon realize it's not worth whatever extra money or prestige the company name might possibly come with.
Reedx 7y ago
It's pretty clear at this point what you're signing up for at Tesla and SpaceX. They're intentionally trying to filter for people who will dedicate much of their life to the mission of electrifying transport and becoming interplanetary. If you want to do that, there are few better options. If you don't, avoid. As for firing, well, who knows... The story about Elon's assistant was apparently rife with misinformation, as these things often are.
xiphias2 7y ago
- I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? One thing that Elon did is gathering lots of video data instead of perfecting LIDAR, and at this point it seems that he was right: until detecting objects in 3D from video data is completely solved, self driving can't work. After it's solved, LIDAR is not needed. - Tesla & SpaceX have a reputation for being a terrible place to work When I'm looking for jobs, my main criteria is market cap / number of employees, and Tesla (as most startups/small companies) was very bad before the stock price went up. Now with high stock prices Tesla can afford to pay market rates (even if it's in stock).
- justapassenger 7y ago
  > When I'm looking for jobs, my main criteria is market cap / number of employees, and Tesla (as most startups/small companies) was very bad before the stock price went up. Now with high stock prices Tesla can afford to pay market rates (even if it's in stock). All big companies grant stock based on monetary value at the time of the grant. If you join company X when their stock went up 2x, stock grant will be smaller 2x. You can get market rate, from historically underperforming company, only if you got grants that appreciated, don't expect grants to improve pay rate.
- xkjkls 7y ago
  > When I'm looking for jobs, my main criteria is market cap / number of employees, and Tesla (as most startups/small companies) was very bad before the stock price went up. Now with high stock prices Tesla can afford to pay market rates (even if it's in stock). You don't care about the work culture at all?
  - xiphias2 7y ago
    Of course I care, it's just in my experience it's much easier for a company to provide any kind of benefits when the company has money for employees. Before 2008 when I was working at Google, we were just getting more and more fun stuff all the time, and it seemed like it's never ending. I was together with about 200 people in the Zurich office. After the stock price went down, although we just had a hiring stop, the food got worse, the bonuses got smaller, and later every new year more and more people came, the stock went up, but the benefits got worse every year until the point where you have to stand in a queue to go to toilet if you are a male. I think Google is still a great place to work at, but very far from what it was 13 years ago.
axguscbklp 7y ago
>I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? Musk was bullshitting when he made that prediction. Maybe he did it because he had bought his own bullshit. Personally I think what's more likely is that he was cynically conning people. In reality, I think no-one is anywhere close to fully self driving cars. I would be surprised if we saw fully self driving cars any time in the next 50 years. The whole field of fully self driving cars has been astonishingly full of empty hype, for some reason often believed by otherwise quite smart people.
- spookthesunset 7y ago
  > for some reason often believed by otherwise quite smart people I don't understand why so many smart "tech people" fall for the hype. Maybe it is because "machine learning" is just abstract enough that even the most jaded developer thinks they can treat it like a black box where if you pour enough videos, photos and LIDAR readings for training into the top it will somehow spit out a fully autonomous self driving car at the bottom. I do find it funny though. On the one hand Alexa only manages to turn on the lights successfully 50% of the time yet somehow we will magically have self driving cars capable of safely navigating the roads any day now. I mean for fsck sake, we don't even have a thing that can wash and fold clothes automatically but somehow self driving cars will be on the market any day. Like, if we cannot even get voice recognition to work right, how on earth will you tell this magical car which street parking spot to take in a busy city? How will you tell it to pull over to pick up a friend? Hell, how will you tell it to go through a drive-through at McDonalds? A touchscreen?
  - jodrellblank 7y ago
    The way you suggest the future of automotive transport rests on a fast food chain drive through suggests a kind of astroturfing social media advert. If burgers were that important, the burger company would partner with the self driving car company and find a way. None of those things are physically complex - the car will be able to see or lidar if a space is big enough for it to park in, pulling over to pick up a friend is no different to pulling over to let you out at your destination, and a drive-through is moving forwards slowly and steering a bit like all low speed driving is. None of them require the dexterity of folding soft wet fabric, and the market for $30,000+ vehicles is much larger than the market for $30,000+ washing machines. One simple answer is: you don't. Self-driving car owned by <car company. takes you from A to B and you get out. You don't choose the parking spot anymore than you chose the lane or the highway exit, you don't pick up a friend they take their own separate ride, and you don't use the drive through, you use <car company>'s food delivery service.
nickik 7y ago
Tesla and SpaceX, specially SpaceX has been rated very highly in some rating I have seen. But there is a reputation that it is a lot of work specially in crunch time.
- Seenso 7y ago
  >> Tesla & SpaceX have a reputation for being a terrible place to work, with Musk expecting everyone to be working as hard (or harder) than him, and firing people in weird and capricious ways. > specially SpaceX has been rated very highly in some rating I have seen. IIRC, SpaceX has a COO who handles much of the day-to-day management, so the employees there are shielded from much of Musk's management style.
  - Rebelgecko 7y ago
    I may have a biased sample because I know more former SpaceX employees than current ones (and I'm sure it varies from team to team), but being overworked is the #1 complaint I've heard. Like, to the point where someone working 60 hour weeks is considered a slacker because they take Sundays off.
- xkjkls 7y ago
  https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Tesla-Reviews-E43129.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Tesla-Reviews-E43129.htm 3.3 is not a high review.
  - jdc 7y ago
    Space X is at 4.4 though https://www.glassdoor.ca/Reviews/space-x-reviews-SRCH_KE0,7.htm https://www.glassdoor.ca/Reviews/space-x-reviews-SRCH_KE0,7....
zaroth 7y ago
> I thought fully autonomous driving was meant to be done by now? That is not what Elon predicted at Autonomy Day last April. He thought they would be feature-complete by the end of 2019, which is to say, that all the basic code paths necessary for best case city driving would be functional. If you've done software development, you understand that getting to "feature-complete" is different from "code-complete", which is also different from "Beta", which is different from "GA". Those are each progressively later stages in the software development / release cycle. Feature complete is merely the day that you can say that there is some functional code in place for all of the code paths that you expect to write. You would expect to be able to do an internal demo showing all the functionality working in the "happy case" at that point. Usually QA has not really even begun in earnest at this point. It is by no means the point where development is "done", which is for FSD in fact, approximately, never. Code complete isn't always distinguished from feature complete, but in my experience, code complete would contemplate negative testing, error handling, and alternative processing modes which might not have been implemented at the point of "feature complete". Code complete typically signifies that from that point forward only bug fixes will be added into the next release. Some projects can reasonable be expected to remain in testing, validation, and certification for several years after the point of "code complete".
- karpodiem 7y ago
  He said a million self driving vehicles would be on the streets a year from FSD day. To try to say the hardware for FSD is now present in 1M vehicles (which I doubt) is disingenuous to the insinuation Elon made that FSD is right around the corner. They're not meaningfully closer to FSD today than they were three years ago. Somewhat closer? Sure. A few feet on a journey that's a few miles though.
  - bdamm 7y ago
    Looking at how much has happened over the last two months though it seems that they are on the verge of something big. I'm on pins just waiting for stop light and stop sign detection to be integrated into lane keeping. They're already seeing them, they just need to put that data into action. In terms of my personal driving that'll be pretty big, road trips get a lot shorter when my attention isn't forced. Turns through intersections is another area where Tesla's current implementation needs a lot of help (read: can barely do it at all) but should be within range soon given where they are at. And lane splits in city streets is definitely something the Tesla implementation is going to need to get better at before really making it door-to-door. It's a very exciting, even historic time for self driving. But yeah, taxi fleets are a ways out. There's a turn in the road just a 1/2 mile from my house where my Model 3 gives up every time.

WrtCdEvrydy 7y ago

"Tell us, what extraordinary work you have done?" I wrote code that worked.... I like boring things.

daniel2x 7y ago
You may be trying to sound snarky, but that is truly extraordinary in todays world!
- 72deluxe 7y ago
  Too right! I seem to be encoutering garbage software all the time, either in use, or by expanding an existing project (including widely available, popular OS projects). Sometimes it's my own code.
agumonkey 7y ago
I like to check for ranges and limits
- jacquesm 7y ago
  Big fan of treating all inputs and outputs to and from functions as hostile. So parameters and return values as well. Always interesting how fast the bugs turn up once you start enforcing that.
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    partial evaluation much
  - eru 7y ago
    Yes. See eg https://hillelwayne.com/talks/beyond-unit-tests/ https://hillelwayne.com/talks/beyond-unit-tests/
- m463 7y ago
  would that more languages let you do this proactively.

Shivetya 7y ago

while an interesting video I really want to see the entire front arc stitched together. How is it judging it is safe to go through the stop sign? Situations like that fascinate me the most. One issue not discussed enough is all this push for automation really needs road marking guidelines pushed down from the Federal level. While the feds can hold domain over the interstate system or roads it can be maddening the differences on right of way rules to simple markings at state level

spookthesunset 7y ago
> One issue not discussed enough is all this push for automation really needs road marking guidelines pushed down from the Federal level Who will fund that in a way that ensures a timely rollout (as in "sometime this century")? Who will pay to maintain it? Unfortunately, self driving cars are just gonna have to deal with infrastructure as-built.
phkahler 7y ago
>> One issue not discussed enough is all this push for automation really needs road marking guidelines pushed down from the Federal level. That would be a mistake. You don't take a safety critical system and rely on a nationwide beauracracy getting all the details right to make it safe, or even effective. We've had the discussion here before, and the only way for full level 5 autonomy is a general AI capable of most everything a human is. Until people realize that it will be an endless stream of "we just need to fix these corner cases" or put more constraints on the physical world because the cars aren't smart enough.
- toufka 7y ago
  Isn't that exactly what the federal government has done to extrodinary success with the interstate system? The interstates follow very strict and powerful standards that make us all so much safer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Association_of_State_Highway_and_Transportation_Officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Association_of_State_...
  - 7y ago

xkjkls 7y ago

Honestly, I don't know how often that question ever warrants good responses. From my experience, most hiring comes from interviewing people who resumes show they're pretty obviously qualified, rather than questions like this from the beginning.