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Brexit Is Done: The U.K. Has Left the European Union

17 points by big_chungus 7y ago

rvz 7y ago
This is an absolute win for democracy in the UK. There are some who don't like democracy and have continuously obstructed it in order to achieve a 'second referendum' even when they haven't implemented the first. But then again, this is what happens when you respect democracy and it should prevail.
- ubercow13 7y ago
  The UK's democracy isn't direct, and direct democracy is only one type of democratic process which isn't clearly superior to others. Equating the brexit vote with democracy itself is a fallacy. Our democracy is parliamentary and those 'obstructive' MPs were democratically elected representatives of the population.
  - rvz 7y ago
    Well regardless of how you have misinterpreted my comment, No-one said the UK's democracy is direct you're just further stating a matter of facts rather than an argument. A referendum is an tool of direct democracy given to the people from the elected members of parliament. The newly formed UK government of the 2019 general election made it clear about respecting that referendum result. There is no where I said that a single referendum was the 'UK's democracy'. It's just one part of the democratic process in the UK.
    - ubercow13 7y ago
      I was just commenting on your suggesting that MPs obstructing the result 'didn't like democracy'.
- mcphage 7y ago
  > There are some who don't like democracy and have continuously obstructed it in order to achieve a 'second referendum' even when they haven't implemented the first. Was the first referendum binding?
- qiqitori 7y ago
  Isn't having a second referendum more democratic than having just one?
vicmiclovich 7y ago
oh well, it happened
konschubert 7y ago
So, officially the Brexit has happened. But in practice, not much will change until the transition period ends in December. And now I wonder who's negotiation position will benefit from this: The UK's or the EU's? And how likely are we to see repeated extensions of the transition period?
adventured 7y ago
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17 points by big_chungus 7y ago

rvz 7y ago

This is an absolute win for democracy in the UK. There are some who don't like democracy and have continuously obstructed it in order to achieve a 'second referendum' even when they haven't implemented the first. But then again, this is what happens when you respect democracy and it should prevail.

ubercow13 7y ago
The UK's democracy isn't direct, and direct democracy is only one type of democratic process which isn't clearly superior to others. Equating the brexit vote with democracy itself is a fallacy. Our democracy is parliamentary and those 'obstructive' MPs were democratically elected representatives of the population.
- rvz 7y ago
  Well regardless of how you have misinterpreted my comment, No-one said the UK's democracy is direct you're just further stating a matter of facts rather than an argument. A referendum is an tool of direct democracy given to the people from the elected members of parliament. The newly formed UK government of the 2019 general election made it clear about respecting that referendum result. There is no where I said that a single referendum was the 'UK's democracy'. It's just one part of the democratic process in the UK.
  - ubercow13 7y ago
    I was just commenting on your suggesting that MPs obstructing the result 'didn't like democracy'.
mcphage 7y ago
> There are some who don't like democracy and have continuously obstructed it in order to achieve a 'second referendum' even when they haven't implemented the first. Was the first referendum binding?
qiqitori 7y ago
Isn't having a second referendum more democratic than having just one?

vicmiclovich 7y ago

oh well, it happened

konschubert 7y ago

So, officially the Brexit has happened. But in practice, not much will change until the transition period ends in December. And now I wonder who's negotiation position will benefit from this: The UK's or the EU's? And how likely are we to see repeated extensions of the transition period?

adventured 7y ago

http://archive.is/QoqDe http://archive.is/QoqDe