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> Had Jeff Bezos relied on Telegram instead of WhatsApp, he wouldn't have been blackmailed by people who compromised his communications You can have a healthy

> Had Jeff Bezos relied on Telegram instead of WhatsApp, he wouldn't have been blackmailed by people who compromised his communications You can have a healthy debate about whether Telegram is a better option than WhatsApp for the average Joe (I don't think it is, but that's just my opinion). Jeff Bezos is not the average Joe. The idea Telegram somehow offers people like Bezos more protection than WhatsApp from nation state attacks is crazy. Pavel Durov is irresponsible for suggesting otherwise. If you're a Bezos level target and Saudi Arabia wants your messages to blackmail you, they will get them. This is a country with effectively unlimited resources and no moral qualms. The app you're using is irrelevant.

anticodon 7y ago
President of Ecuador was forced to give up Julian Assange because he was blackmailed using content from conversations he had with his relatives in Telegram. This makes me think that Telegram is not as safe as it tries to appear. At least there's a backdoor for CIA/USA government.
- Krasnol 7y ago
  Do you have a source on that? I couldn't google anything useful.
  - JimBlackwood 7y ago
    https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embarrassing-ina-papers-into-pretext-to-oust-assange/ https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embar... I found this, I think that’s what is being referred to.
    - Krasnol 7y ago
      Yeah I've found that too but it's quite thin. This inapapers.org link strangely links to facebook. Don't know what to think about that. Especially with all the other sources for data mentioned there I'd assume they had control of the device not really access to the apps.
      - anticodon 7y ago
        Yes, but I doubt there's will be anything more substantial. It's kind of information that is only useful if kept secret. If everybody starts to distrust some IM network because there's a proof that it's wiretapped, people will start using something else.
- harry8 7y ago
  Wow! Citation?
  - JimBlackwood 7y ago
    https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embarrassing-ina-papers-into-pretext-to-oust-assange/ https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embar... I found this, I think that’s what is being referred to.
    - wrboyce 7y ago
      The only mentions of Telegram on that page also mention WhatsApp right next to it. I’d love to read more about the alleged Telegram hack/leak but this link does not appear to be a source for the accusations levelled upthread.
      - anticodon 7y ago
        Also, his phone can be hacked. After Snowden revelations I do not trust any piece of electronic equipment. I don't worry because I don't believe any privacy is possible in contemporary society. Every device has tons of bugs. Every application I use phones multiple networks gathering facts about me. Just yesterday I've visited Off-facebook activity and was very surprised to find there information that I though nobody could trace back to me. And I believe it's only tip of an iceberg. Probably there wasn't even direct wiretapping - it was guessed by comparing some patterns of my checkins or pages I've browsed. Still, I don't believe Telegram and Pavel Durov. Also, the first story I've read about this case mentioned only Telegram. I'm not sure I can find it now - it was almost one year ago - it's long gone from my browsing history.

anticodon 7y ago

President of Ecuador was forced to give up Julian Assange because he was blackmailed using content from conversations he had with his relatives in Telegram. This makes me think that Telegram is not as safe as it tries to appear. At least there's a backdoor for CIA/USA government.

Krasnol 7y ago
Do you have a source on that? I couldn't google anything useful.
- JimBlackwood 7y ago
  https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embarrassing-ina-papers-into-pretext-to-oust-assange/ https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embar... I found this, I think that’s what is being referred to.
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    Yeah I've found that too but it's quite thin. This inapapers.org link strangely links to facebook. Don't know what to think about that. Especially with all the other sources for data mentioned there I'd assume they had control of the device not really access to the apps.
    - anticodon 7y ago
      Yes, but I doubt there's will be anything more substantial. It's kind of information that is only useful if kept secret. If everybody starts to distrust some IM network because there's a proof that it's wiretapped, people will start using something else.
harry8 7y ago
Wow! Citation?
- JimBlackwood 7y ago
  https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embarrassing-ina-papers-into-pretext-to-oust-assange/ https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embar... I found this, I think that’s what is being referred to.
  - wrboyce 7y ago
    The only mentions of Telegram on that page also mention WhatsApp right next to it. I’d love to read more about the alleged Telegram hack/leak but this link does not appear to be a source for the accusations levelled upthread.
    - anticodon 7y ago
      Also, his phone can be hacked. After Snowden revelations I do not trust any piece of electronic equipment. I don't worry because I don't believe any privacy is possible in contemporary society. Every device has tons of bugs. Every application I use phones multiple networks gathering facts about me. Just yesterday I've visited Off-facebook activity and was very surprised to find there information that I though nobody could trace back to me. And I believe it's only tip of an iceberg. Probably there wasn't even direct wiretapping - it was guessed by comparing some patterns of my checkins or pages I've browsed. Still, I don't believe Telegram and Pavel Durov. Also, the first story I've read about this case mentioned only Telegram. I'm not sure I can find it now - it was almost one year ago - it's long gone from my browsing history.