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For those missing context, "Gender Identity Disorder" in the DSM-IV, which described transgender identity itself as a mental illness, was replaced with "Gender

For those missing context, "Gender Identity Disorder" in the DSM-IV, which described transgender identity itself as a mental illness, was replaced with "Gender Dysphoria" in the DSM-V, which was scoped specifically to the depression/pain of feeling socially in the wrong gender role, as well as the feeling of one's body being wrong. The DSM does cite academic sources IIRC, but they're listed as a while for the book, rather than being referenced by specific sections or criteria, which is a common critique of the DSM in general. Additionally, Ray Blanchard, an academic who believes transgenderism is caused by "autogynephilia"/"autoandrophilia" (i.e. a sexual fetish caused by attraction to oneself as the desired gender), was a member of the committee who decided the DSM-V definition. So no, OP, academics who didn't support trans politics weren't scared off by the community.. Ray Blanchard played a big role. As for the "minimum of real science," there's a lot of sociological and psychological work that goes into the DSM. Some of the pressure was certainly political/social, like the removal of homosexuality was decades ago, but there are sources listed in the back of the book, even if it takes some digging. Disclaimer: am trans, am really done with justifying my existence but I felt I should share what I know.

jamesrcole 7y ago
> So no, OP, academics who didn't support trans politics weren't scared off by the community. Not saying you're wrong, but there's nothing in your comment that supports this claim, so can you elaborate?
- Jim_Heckler 7y ago
  > Additionally, Ray Blanchard, an academic who believes transgenderism is caused by "autogynephilia"/"autoandrophilia" (i.e. a sexual fetish caused by attraction to oneself as the desired gender), was a member of the committee who decided the DSM-V definition.
  - jamesrcole 7y ago
    That is not evidence for the claim "So no, OP, academics who didn't support trans politics weren't scared off by the community."
    - danharaj 7y ago
      If you understood who Ray Blanchard is you would understand that it is. Insofar as a negative can have supporting evidence.
      - jamesrcole 7y ago
        [EDIT: do the people downvoting this care to explain why they disagree with it? Just because one person was involved is not evidence other people weren't scared off because of harassment. Nor is it evidence that there was no harassment. If you disagree, why?] His role and behavior is independent of whether there was harassment of academics from people. He may have had that role and either one of these three options could possibly have happened: 1) no harassment of academics from people 2) some harassment 3) a lot of harassment. To claim that Blanchard’s involvement is evidence that there was no harassment, you’d have to demonstrate that somehow that involvement is incompatible with 2) or 3).
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        The claim wasn't that there was or wasn't harassment, but that harassment was the cause of the change in policy.
        jamesrcole 7y ago
        > The claim wasn't that there was or wasn't harassment, but that harassment was the cause of the change in policy. hsyqiwgx wrote "The trans community lobbied and bothered academics ... until the academics threw up their hands and decided their funding wasn't good enough to justify having a spine". sterlind replied "So no, OP, academics who didn't support trans politics weren't scared off by the community." The claim that both of these people were talking about, concerned academics being harassed and as a result being scared off. And just because that one person was involved, doesn't mean that other people weren't scared off.

jamesrcole 7y ago

> So no, OP, academics who didn't support trans politics weren't scared off by the community. Not saying you're wrong, but there's nothing in your comment that supports this claim, so can you elaborate?

Jim_Heckler 7y ago
> Additionally, Ray Blanchard, an academic who believes transgenderism is caused by "autogynephilia"/"autoandrophilia" (i.e. a sexual fetish caused by attraction to oneself as the desired gender), was a member of the committee who decided the DSM-V definition.
- jamesrcole 7y ago
  That is not evidence for the claim "So no, OP, academics who didn't support trans politics weren't scared off by the community."
  - danharaj 7y ago
    If you understood who Ray Blanchard is you would understand that it is. Insofar as a negative can have supporting evidence.
    - jamesrcole 7y ago
      [EDIT: do the people downvoting this care to explain why they disagree with it? Just because one person was involved is not evidence other people weren't scared off because of harassment. Nor is it evidence that there was no harassment. If you disagree, why?] His role and behavior is independent of whether there was harassment of academics from people. He may have had that role and either one of these three options could possibly have happened: 1) no harassment of academics from people 2) some harassment 3) a lot of harassment. To claim that Blanchard’s involvement is evidence that there was no harassment, you’d have to demonstrate that somehow that involvement is incompatible with 2) or 3).
      - joshuamorton 7y ago
        The claim wasn't that there was or wasn't harassment, but that harassment was the cause of the change in policy.
        jamesrcole 7y ago
        > The claim wasn't that there was or wasn't harassment, but that harassment was the cause of the change in policy. hsyqiwgx wrote "The trans community lobbied and bothered academics ... until the academics threw up their hands and decided their funding wasn't good enough to justify having a spine". sterlind replied "So no, OP, academics who didn't support trans politics weren't scared off by the community." The claim that both of these people were talking about, concerned academics being harassed and as a result being scared off. And just because that one person was involved, doesn't mean that other people weren't scared off.