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I could be wrong, but I don' think the "indentured servitude" bit is a straw man. Employers really do have the power to have someone deported via not letting t
by cconstantine 18y ago
I could be wrong, but I don' think the "indentured servitude" bit is a straw man. Employers really do have the power to have someone deported via not letting them work. Deportation isn't something companies should have control over.
But, overall, I think everyone in this tree is arguing the same basic thing; it's a bad idea to throw workers out of the country.
- timr 18y agoIt's a straw man, because true or not, it's irrelevant to my argument (and possibly a mis-characterization of the same). I'm not suggesting that the US should enforce immigration policy that treats people like slaves; only that we should allow people to stay when we've paid for their education. I do think we all agree...I'm just really puzzled why my comment has been received with such hostility, when we're all saying variants of the same thing!
- geebee 18y agoC'mon, dude. You wrote "You're just wrong if you think that the US doesn't pay for the graduate education of foreign nationals". Of course the thread got a little testy. And I stand by my claim that these research-oriented grad students contribute more than they cost even in the short term. They teach classes, write code, and sign away rights to patents the moment they start their programs. These contributions pale in comparison to the long-term gains you mentioned, and the opportunity cost of losing a researcher who would have stayed in the US is very real, but it's pretty easy to produce enough to justify a research stipend even without considering those long term gains
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