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Dear Microsoft, Shit like this literally undoes every bit of goodwill you earn. Much like replacing user's wallpaper for Win7 EOL (why you didn't just put not

Dear Microsoft, Shit like this literally undoes every bit of goodwill you earn. Much like replacing user's wallpaper for Win7 EOL (why you didn't just put notification text like "Windows $VERSION - End Of Life - Unsupported" in the bottom corner instead is beyond me). I mean, I WANT to see the new MS, which is really present on the developer tools and azure side of the business. Windows and Office teams seem to be bent on destroying that at every chance... it's time to fire some upper and mid-level managers that have these attitudes and make these decisions.

shmerl 7y ago
Time to move to Linux.
- tracker1 7y ago
  I'd been running a hackintosh at home for a few years, switched to linux in october with a new PC. Still on windows at work though. Aside: I actually do appreciate some of MS's efforts regarding open source, devtools, .Net Core, VS Code and even most of what Azure does.
  - shmerl 7y ago
    If you do any gaming, Linux is surely better than hackintosh these days. Though MS can still be viewed as hostile towards it.
    - tracker1 7y ago
      I don't do much... I've been using Steam a little more since the switch though... I have nerve damage from about a decade ago, and fast-twitch reflexes aren't what they used to be.
      - pferde 7y ago
        The world has moved on from Pong, you know. :) There is plenty of great games with which you can take as much time as you want in every step.
        tracker1 7y ago
        Not games that I enjoy ;-) ... lol. I really like FPS mostly, and these days, I only stand to get my ass handed to me. Most games I liked are similar... I do more card/board/table games now, and wouldn't mind doing more of that... don't get the same enjoyment online from that though.
  - lucb1e 7y ago
    Why Windows at work, do you work for a large company that provides laptops you're not allowed to reinstall, or are you in a non-tech job?
    - ifdefdebug 7y ago
      > or are you in a non-tech job Believe it or not, many of us techies really like our windows desktops along with other machines.
      - shmerl 7y ago
        I surely can't stand Windows for work. Some companies unfortunately force it in the work environment due to IT not willing to handle Linux. Better ones allow using Linux.
        tracker1 7y ago
        Well, when you've got over a hundred people at your company, and 20 of them are developers, and an IT staff (non-development) of 3 people, change doesn't come easy. Aside: I may be able to switch in a couple months... I'm literally working on isolating a windows tether in the primary app I'm working on into an isolated service. After that, it'll be separated enough that I won't have to support it. We also have some other projects that are k8s/docker/linux as the target, and some of the contractors are using macs. So may be able to make a case for a switch. edit: My experience (elearning, banking, govt) has been no companies supporting desktop users on linux. Though some VM deskop use for software on non-windows servers.
        jve 7y ago
        > edit: My experience (elearning, banking, govt) has been no companies supporting desktop users on linux. It could partially be to maintaining a desktop OS. GPO / SCCM helps manage computers with scale. I'm sure there are Linux tools, but suddenly you have 2x more work to secure, patch and keep up with the best practices for your workstations. Moreover GPO and SCCM is IT friendly way of managing computers.
donmcronald 7y ago
I'm getting skeptical about the developer tools. The cynic in me says it's just a ploy to gain market share before forcing everything to an online subscription like they're doing with Office. Things like Visual Studio Online, GitHub Actions, Azure Pipelines, etc. worry me. Once everything's a subscription and you're paying to spin your mouse wheel, you lose the ability to spend time in lieu of spending money. I think it'll happen slowly, but it'll happen. Eventually they'll have a complete, online only development solution that's charged based on usage. Development on local tools will get de-emphasized so they lag behind and suck by comparison and there will be "donations" of subscriptions to educational institutions to ensure no one ever learns to deal with, or even think of, a local development environment. I think it's ok to have ongoing costs like IntelliJ's products. I don't like the way they screw you with an outdated perpetual license if you drop your subscription, but it's a hell of a lot better than something like Visual Studio Online which is literally pay per hour. Based on the willingness to pay astronomical markup on CI minutes, I wouldn't be shocked to see people paying $1000 / year (no joke) to use VSO.
- elorant 7y ago
  It will happen only if they develop a bulletproof self-hosted environment for corporate clients. Otherwise the enterprise clientele will never trust writing code at an online environment that they don't own.

shmerl 7y ago

Time to move to Linux.

tracker1 7y ago
I'd been running a hackintosh at home for a few years, switched to linux in october with a new PC. Still on windows at work though. Aside: I actually do appreciate some of MS's efforts regarding open source, devtools, .Net Core, VS Code and even most of what Azure does.
- shmerl 7y ago
  If you do any gaming, Linux is surely better than hackintosh these days. Though MS can still be viewed as hostile towards it.
  - tracker1 7y ago
    I don't do much... I've been using Steam a little more since the switch though... I have nerve damage from about a decade ago, and fast-twitch reflexes aren't what they used to be.
    - pferde 7y ago
      The world has moved on from Pong, you know. :) There is plenty of great games with which you can take as much time as you want in every step.
      - tracker1 7y ago
        Not games that I enjoy ;-) ... lol. I really like FPS mostly, and these days, I only stand to get my ass handed to me. Most games I liked are similar... I do more card/board/table games now, and wouldn't mind doing more of that... don't get the same enjoyment online from that though.
- lucb1e 7y ago
  Why Windows at work, do you work for a large company that provides laptops you're not allowed to reinstall, or are you in a non-tech job?
  - ifdefdebug 7y ago
    > or are you in a non-tech job Believe it or not, many of us techies really like our windows desktops along with other machines.
    - shmerl 7y ago
      I surely can't stand Windows for work. Some companies unfortunately force it in the work environment due to IT not willing to handle Linux. Better ones allow using Linux.
      - tracker1 7y ago
        Well, when you've got over a hundred people at your company, and 20 of them are developers, and an IT staff (non-development) of 3 people, change doesn't come easy. Aside: I may be able to switch in a couple months... I'm literally working on isolating a windows tether in the primary app I'm working on into an isolated service. After that, it'll be separated enough that I won't have to support it. We also have some other projects that are k8s/docker/linux as the target, and some of the contractors are using macs. So may be able to make a case for a switch. edit: My experience (elearning, banking, govt) has been no companies supporting desktop users on linux. Though some VM deskop use for software on non-windows servers.
        jve 7y ago
        > edit: My experience (elearning, banking, govt) has been no companies supporting desktop users on linux. It could partially be to maintaining a desktop OS. GPO / SCCM helps manage computers with scale. I'm sure there are Linux tools, but suddenly you have 2x more work to secure, patch and keep up with the best practices for your workstations. Moreover GPO and SCCM is IT friendly way of managing computers.

donmcronald 7y ago

I'm getting skeptical about the developer tools. The cynic in me says it's just a ploy to gain market share before forcing everything to an online subscription like they're doing with Office. Things like Visual Studio Online, GitHub Actions, Azure Pipelines, etc. worry me. Once everything's a subscription and you're paying to spin your mouse wheel, you lose the ability to spend time in lieu of spending money. I think it'll happen slowly, but it'll happen. Eventually they'll have a complete, online only development solution that's charged based on usage. Development on local tools will get de-emphasized so they lag behind and suck by comparison and there will be "donations" of subscriptions to educational institutions to ensure no one ever learns to deal with, or even think of, a local development environment. I think it's ok to have ongoing costs like IntelliJ's products. I don't like the way they screw you with an outdated perpetual license if you drop your subscription, but it's a hell of a lot better than something like Visual Studio Online which is literally pay per hour. Based on the willingness to pay astronomical markup on CI minutes, I wouldn't be shocked to see people paying $1000 / year (no joke) to use VSO.

elorant 7y ago
It will happen only if they develop a bulletproof self-hosted environment for corporate clients. Otherwise the enterprise clientele will never trust writing code at an online environment that they don't own.