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Of course this is also true. Chrome should be forced to offer a selection of search engines when it first runs. This is something for example Android is now for

Of course this is also true. Chrome should be forced to offer a selection of search engines when it first runs. This is something for example Android is now forced to do (in the EU). I tremendously disagree with software being allowed to modify other software installed by me. A proper app sandbox model would never ever allow this. This is one of the things I really love about iOS, no app from wherever it came from can ever modify other software on the system without my permission. (iOS is not perfect either, this is just one area where I would wish desktop OSes would catch up with.)

badrabbit 7y ago
So, even with my permission, a program shouldn't be allowed to manipulate other programs? So debuggers that modify a program's memory should be disallowed? security products shouldn't scan for insecure/bad settings/bugs and fix them? Adblockers shouldn't mess with ads in a different application? I can tell you, the last thing I want is android/ios like app sandboxing if that means I can't interfere with what apps are doing/configuring. I prefer to have control or finao say about inter-app interaction since it is my device
- scarface74 7y ago
  Adblockers shouldn't mess with ads in a different application? Apple designed a content blocking system years ago that doesn't allow the ad blocker to intercept all of your browser traffic.....
raxxorrax 7y ago
It would be my personal nightmare if desktop OS' adapt this practice, although I fear at least Windows will do so in incremental steps. I think this will be the end of its dominance on desktops, but I have no doubts management at MS will try. So this would be a good and a bad thing. And do you honestly believe a sandbox would have stopped MS changing the page? That iOS isn't perfect is an understatement in my opinion. It has a nice UI, it usually works and my pads lie in my cabinet since I cannot do anything remotely interesting and productive with it. I got my iOS devices for free and it still somehow feels like I got cheated on. Like these devices belong to Apple, not to me.
- cmcd 7y ago
  > And do you honestly believe a sandbox would have stopped MS changing the page? That is how a sandbox works, Microsoft's installer would not be able to access configuration files for Chrome to change the settings.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  > And do you honestly believe a sandbox would have stopped MS changing the page? Depends on the sandbox. A real sandbox? Yes, it should stop Microsoft from changing the page. A sandbox built by Microsoft, that they're willing to circumvent for their own advantage? No; I expect that it won't stop Microsoft. To me, that makes their sandbox less trustworthy rather than making their browser more trustworthy.

badrabbit 7y ago

So, even with my permission, a program shouldn't be allowed to manipulate other programs? So debuggers that modify a program's memory should be disallowed? security products shouldn't scan for insecure/bad settings/bugs and fix them? Adblockers shouldn't mess with ads in a different application? I can tell you, the last thing I want is android/ios like app sandboxing if that means I can't interfere with what apps are doing/configuring. I prefer to have control or finao say about inter-app interaction since it is my device

scarface74 7y ago
Adblockers shouldn't mess with ads in a different application? Apple designed a content blocking system years ago that doesn't allow the ad blocker to intercept all of your browser traffic.....

raxxorrax 7y ago

It would be my personal nightmare if desktop OS' adapt this practice, although I fear at least Windows will do so in incremental steps. I think this will be the end of its dominance on desktops, but I have no doubts management at MS will try. So this would be a good and a bad thing. And do you honestly believe a sandbox would have stopped MS changing the page? That iOS isn't perfect is an understatement in my opinion. It has a nice UI, it usually works and my pads lie in my cabinet since I cannot do anything remotely interesting and productive with it. I got my iOS devices for free and it still somehow feels like I got cheated on. Like these devices belong to Apple, not to me.

cmcd 7y ago
> And do you honestly believe a sandbox would have stopped MS changing the page? That is how a sandbox works, Microsoft's installer would not be able to access configuration files for Chrome to change the settings.
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
> And do you honestly believe a sandbox would have stopped MS changing the page? Depends on the sandbox. A real sandbox? Yes, it should stop Microsoft from changing the page. A sandbox built by Microsoft, that they're willing to circumvent for their own advantage? No; I expect that it won't stop Microsoft. To me, that makes their sandbox less trustworthy rather than making their browser more trustworthy.