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Looks curious, I'd love to try it, I always wanted a system which wouldn't run anything I don't need (e.g. I never need Avahi or Samba, I don't need a user mana

Looks curious, I'd love to try it, I always wanted a system which wouldn't run anything I don't need (e.g. I never need Avahi or Samba, I don't need a user manager and would love to startx, I agree to sacrifice boot speed for simplicity - waiting a minute is ok for a desktop PC to start if you get something as valuable as understanding your system in exchange). That's a pity it doesn't have binary packages - building everything I need from source is going to take too long. I also doubt everything is going to work without the D-Bus. AFAIK many apps also fail to work with musl, and busybox might not include all the features of the classic GNU tools I may occasionally need. So I wish there were a slightly less radically simple Linux distribution. PS: and I hate sh (as many others probably do), everything-LISP would probably be more fun.

anthk 7y ago
You'd love Guix.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  Isn't it too GNU? I want all of my system (including all the hardware) to actually function and this is hardly possible without non-free code.
  - owl57 7y ago
    You can install vanilla kernel and firmware. It won't ever be in the official repos, but the needed configuration is relatively simple and easy to google.
  - _emacsomancer_ 7y ago
    it's easy to add additional channels/repositories, e.g. https://github.com/guix-users/guix-nonfree https://github.com/guix-users/guix-nonfree , https://gitlab.com/divansantana/guix-packages-nonfree https://gitlab.com/divansantana/guix-packages-nonfree , &c.
    - NieDzejkob 7y ago
      I have found this channel to be the most complete and up-to-date: https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix
sjy 7y ago
Have you tried Arch? It has binary packages; GNOME, Avahi, Samba and similar basic but non-essential packages must be explicitly installed; the package manager is ridiculously fast; and it’s usually easy to install proprietary blobs and other unsupported stuff using the huge user package repository, if you’re comfortable with the associated risks.
- vpzom 7y ago
  > systemd
  - gmueckl 7y ago
    There' artix Linux for that: https://artixlinux.org/ https://artixlinux.org/ It's a very good derivative of arch that removes systemd.
  - JdeBP 7y ago
    Hyperbola is an Arch Linux derivative that famously does not have systemd. There are others. * https://hyperbola.info/ https://hyperbola.info/
    - qwerty456127 7y ago
      > A fully free, stable, secure, simple, lightweight and long-term support distribution The first, second and the last attributes make a kind of distributions I am really (really!) glad they exist but, unfortunately, am hardly going to use because from the real life perspective this means your hardware is not going to work, you won't be able to read common file formats and you will be limited to ancient version of software.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  I used Arch during the days before it switched to systemd (and before Ubuntu introduced Unity) and enjoyed it until I have accidentally found out Ubuntu feels faster on my PC so I switched to Ubuntu. Once Ubuntu switched to GNOME3 I have switched to Manjaro (with KDE5) and I really love it (it feels like the perfect spot between Arch freshness and reasonable stability - you still get the fresh stuff reasonably fast but they test it before that so it's much less likely for an update to ruin your system) but I don't know how to get rid of Avahi: :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by geoclue :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by gvfs :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by kdnssd :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by libcups :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by mpd :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by nss-mdns :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by ostree :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by pulseaudio-zeroconf :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by sane i.e. I certainly need CUPS (to have a virtual PDF printer) and it depends on it (and I don't even know what 2/3 of the rest of the packages listed do). It is also very much possible the situation is the same on Arch. Also, I don't really mind systemd from the practical point of view but the actual idea we were speaking about is having a simple, intuitive init system, which systemd is not.
vpzom 7y ago
Thoughts on https://voidlinux.org/ https://voidlinux.org/?
- petre 7y ago
  It's nice, simple, boots fast. Uses runit as init. The package manager, XBPS, has a funny name which I always misspell, the tools are separate like legacy apt-get, apt-search etc and it's CLI is a bit like pacman's, as in not quite the user friendliest. Package number is comparable to alpine. It's probably a bit like a modern Slackware.

anthk 7y ago

You'd love Guix.

qwerty456127 7y ago
Isn't it too GNU? I want all of my system (including all the hardware) to actually function and this is hardly possible without non-free code.
- owl57 7y ago
  You can install vanilla kernel and firmware. It won't ever be in the official repos, but the needed configuration is relatively simple and easy to google.
- _emacsomancer_ 7y ago
  it's easy to add additional channels/repositories, e.g. https://github.com/guix-users/guix-nonfree https://github.com/guix-users/guix-nonfree , https://gitlab.com/divansantana/guix-packages-nonfree https://gitlab.com/divansantana/guix-packages-nonfree , &c.
  - NieDzejkob 7y ago
    I have found this channel to be the most complete and up-to-date: https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix

sjy 7y ago

Have you tried Arch? It has binary packages; GNOME, Avahi, Samba and similar basic but non-essential packages must be explicitly installed; the package manager is ridiculously fast; and it’s usually easy to install proprietary blobs and other unsupported stuff using the huge user package repository, if you’re comfortable with the associated risks.

vpzom 7y ago
> systemd
- gmueckl 7y ago
  There' artix Linux for that: https://artixlinux.org/ https://artixlinux.org/ It's a very good derivative of arch that removes systemd.
- JdeBP 7y ago
  Hyperbola is an Arch Linux derivative that famously does not have systemd. There are others. * https://hyperbola.info/ https://hyperbola.info/
  - qwerty456127 7y ago
    > A fully free, stable, secure, simple, lightweight and long-term support distribution The first, second and the last attributes make a kind of distributions I am really (really!) glad they exist but, unfortunately, am hardly going to use because from the real life perspective this means your hardware is not going to work, you won't be able to read common file formats and you will be limited to ancient version of software.
qwerty456127 7y ago
I used Arch during the days before it switched to systemd (and before Ubuntu introduced Unity) and enjoyed it until I have accidentally found out Ubuntu feels faster on my PC so I switched to Ubuntu. Once Ubuntu switched to GNOME3 I have switched to Manjaro (with KDE5) and I really love it (it feels like the perfect spot between Arch freshness and reasonable stability - you still get the fresh stuff reasonably fast but they test it before that so it's much less likely for an update to ruin your system) but I don't know how to get rid of Avahi: :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by geoclue :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by gvfs :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by kdnssd :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by libcups :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by mpd :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by nss-mdns :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by ostree :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by pulseaudio-zeroconf :: removing avahi breaks dependency 'avahi' required by sane i.e. I certainly need CUPS (to have a virtual PDF printer) and it depends on it (and I don't even know what 2/3 of the rest of the packages listed do). It is also very much possible the situation is the same on Arch. Also, I don't really mind systemd from the practical point of view but the actual idea we were speaking about is having a simple, intuitive init system, which systemd is not.

vpzom 7y ago

Thoughts on https://voidlinux.org/ https://voidlinux.org/?

petre 7y ago
It's nice, simple, boots fast. Uses runit as init. The package manager, XBPS, has a funny name which I always misspell, the tools are separate like legacy apt-get, apt-search etc and it's CLI is a bit like pacman's, as in not quite the user friendliest. Package number is comparable to alpine. It's probably a bit like a modern Slackware.