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If that was an option, sure absolutely. I've never met a person who could actually afford a 20% downpayment recently (5% downpayments are common here in Michiga

If that was an option, sure absolutely. I've never met a person who could actually afford a 20% downpayment recently (5% downpayments are common here in Michigan, for real humans buying houses in the past decade or so). But yes, if you are wealthy enough to afford a 20% downpayment on a house, you are wealthy enough to potentially have opportunity costs from other investments at your disposal. Agreed.

chiefalchemist 7y ago
The irony of the lower down payment? It increases demand; which obviously increases price. So they are able to afford what they normally can't afford because of the tool (i.e., lower down payment) which helped make homes unaffordable.
codegeek 7y ago
I actually put 20% down 7 years ago on the house and I can tell you that if I had invested that downpayment purely in index funds, I would have a lot more cash today. So again, housing was not a good investment from an economic perspective. I bought it for my children but I look at it as a major expense and not investment.
- chii 7y ago
  if you were less risk adverse, it's possible to pull equity out of your house and have that reinvested in stocks, and continue paying the mortgage (and may be work out a way to make it tax efficient, like debt recycling). Then as long as the stock market out-performs the debt cost (which is likely), you win out ahead by quite a bit more.
  - codegeek 7y ago
    How would you pull equity out of the house other than doing things like HELOC ? HELOCs have huge interest and doesn't make sense to take that money and reinvest unless you know how to play the risky games like options trading etc.
    - chii 7y ago
      with a variable mortgage loan, a bank usually has a product called an offset account. When you pay back the principle, this offset account grows. It acts like a line of credit, and the max size is the value of the loan. So essentially, it is a HELOC. But it's at the same rate as your home loan, which is usually quite a lot lower than the margin rate if you borrowed to buy shares. Of course, this offset loan cannot go higher than the equity you've already paid back, so unlike a margin loan (which can go up to 10x!?).
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chiefalchemist 7y ago

The irony of the lower down payment? It increases demand; which obviously increases price. So they are able to afford what they normally can't afford because of the tool (i.e., lower down payment) which helped make homes unaffordable.

codegeek 7y ago

I actually put 20% down 7 years ago on the house and I can tell you that if I had invested that downpayment purely in index funds, I would have a lot more cash today. So again, housing was not a good investment from an economic perspective. I bought it for my children but I look at it as a major expense and not investment.

chii 7y ago
if you were less risk adverse, it's possible to pull equity out of your house and have that reinvested in stocks, and continue paying the mortgage (and may be work out a way to make it tax efficient, like debt recycling). Then as long as the stock market out-performs the debt cost (which is likely), you win out ahead by quite a bit more.
- codegeek 7y ago
  How would you pull equity out of the house other than doing things like HELOC ? HELOCs have huge interest and doesn't make sense to take that money and reinvest unless you know how to play the risky games like options trading etc.
  - chii 7y ago
    with a variable mortgage loan, a bank usually has a product called an offset account. When you pay back the principle, this offset account grows. It acts like a line of credit, and the max size is the value of the loan. So essentially, it is a HELOC. But it's at the same rate as your home loan, which is usually quite a lot lower than the margin rate if you borrowed to buy shares. Of course, this offset loan cannot go higher than the equity you've already paid back, so unlike a margin loan (which can go up to 10x!?).

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