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If you destroy a yield sign, maybe it will eventually cause some problems, or maybe not. We could imagine a world in which destroying smart infrastructure coul
by aetherson 7y ago
If you destroy a yield sign, maybe it will eventually cause some problems, or maybe not. We could imagine a world in which destroying smart infrastructure could pretty instantaneously and reliably cause massive traffic jams, which seems like it would appeal more to certain trolls and perhaps protestors.
We could also imagine a world in which more subtle attacks could reliably and fairly quickly cause injury/fatality accidents, which might appeal to terrorists.
- jameslevy 7y agoI think this type of "stress testing" of destroyed or modified signage would be an obvious direction for AV development once the basics are down. With HD mapping and other technology used to augment what is gathered by their sensors, AVs are eventually overall going to be better at handling unexpected scenarios at the road compared to humans
- TwoBit 7y agoIf you destroy a yield sign, the system will immediately know because all the cars previously recorded it.
- incompatible 7y agoThe permanent signs would already be in the database. The signs you'd worry about would be temporary, for road works or accidents, but perhaps these locations could be made electronically available.
- blub 7y agoAnd it will play a helpful message like "Recalculating route: 3 self-driving fatalities registered at this location."
- kohtatsu 7y agoSo presumably every self-driving vehicle is going to be constantly streaming all sorts of information in their purview to a central hub? That is a privacy nightmare without regulation on scrubbing extraneous information, done before upload: for example blocking out of pedestrian data; not just faces but clothing and gait, and probably also any data captured through windows. It would be ideal to have a limited view of just the roads and signage, and have a retention plan that gradually keeps less and less historical data. For accident review more of the data might be required, so vehicles should keep the last 24 hours of raw data.
- kohtatsu 7y agoSelf-driving vehicles should be implemented with the same care Apple has given Touch ID and Face ID in regards to protecting sensitive data. Having a central database capable of being scraped and process to determine where any person is at any given time is a non-starter. Care needs to be taken to scrub all extraneous data from the fleet's network.
- alxlaz 7y agoA lot of things should be implemented in a particular way, but most aren't. Decades of practical experience show that, unless forced by regulations, auto manufacturer will pick the cheaper and more profitable option over the safe option every single time.
- aantix 7y agoIf I had to choose between privacy of my location or the convenience of a self driving car, I’d choose the car. Every single time. Convenience wins out over privacy for me. It’s the same for the billions that elect to use Facebook. I don’t care if Tesla’s knows I visited the supermarket.
- ozim 7y agoTell that to guy that had smartwatch and his wife noticed he had high heart rate somewhere at night where he should be doing something else. I don't have link for the story. But idea behind this is not that one should not cheat on his wife because he will get caught. To be really a human and be honest, one must not have an urge to cheat on his wife(husband) because he loves her. If someone has dirty thoughts and only thing that is preventing a person from fulfilling that is that "Tesla will know"... People should be able to cheat, they also should be caught, but being good only because you are constantly watched? This argument looks like "because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say".
- aantix 7y ago
- cglace 7y agoSo what happens when a road sign legitimately changes? Does the system use the previous values recorded or the new value? Im also curious how situations will be handled where there are two speed signs: the regular posted speed and a temporary speed for construction. How does it know which to obey.
- davewritescode 7y agoIdeally we get to a point where we’re at least publishing signage to a database so that cars don’t have to rely on visual cues both human and automated. I personally don’t think it’s possible to make automated cars work well without a ton of infrastructure support.
- Consultant32452 7y agoYour car wishes to inform you that there's a sign for McDonald's where they're having a sale 2 for 1 quarter pounder with cheese.
- gambiting 7y agoThe law doesn't require you to follow a sign that's not there. In fact I'd argue that doing so can be dangerous in some situations(and obviously advised in others). A car should only ever follow what it can actually see, which makes the whole idea almost daft, since computer image recognition is still so poor.
- rossmohax 7y agoIf there is a central database with all the signs, you don't need a physical sign on the edge on the road for AV to notice it, they already know it is "there" from that DB
- gambiting 7y agoBear in mind that's not how the traffic law works anywhere right now. You are only required to obey signs and markings which are actually there. And traffic signs get removed all the time for works, I honestly can't imagine that every action like that would be recorded in some central database that all cars could query.
- lopmotr 7y agoIf it's such a busy location to cause a big jam, how did the vandals get away with destroying it? In out of the way places, it won't cause a big jam.
- hilbertseries 7y agoFew places are busy in the middle of the night.
- humanrebar 7y agoYou can cause horrible traffic jams now by throwing a few mattresses or a bunch of caltrops onto the highway at the right time of day.