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> or that they ever will be Eventually being better than humans seems like it's obviously going to happen. Not driving drunk, not getting distracted, and not s

> or that they ever will be Eventually being better than humans seems like it's obviously going to happen. Not driving drunk, not getting distracted, and not sleeping at the wheel alone are advantages enough that I would be amazed if the balance doesn't eventually fall in favor of the self-driving car. Self-driving cars don't even have to be particularly good drivers to be better than the average human, given how much the human average is dragged down by recklessness.

raducu 7y ago
While I would love for self-driving cars to be a thing, the AI to detect tired, distracted, drunk or sleeping drivers could be in every car way, way before self-driving cars will be a thing.
spookthesunset 7y ago
> Self-driving cars don't even have to be particularly good drivers to be better than the average human, given how much the human average is dragged down by recklessnes Tell that to the jury when your self driving car runs into the side of school bus full of kids (which will happen given any reasonable adoption). Self driving cars would have to be held to an almost insanely high standard to be “winnable lawsuit” proof.
- WalterBright 7y ago
  Such lawsuits are a net detriment to society. It's why light airplane design remains stuck in the 1960s, and why vaccine companies are protected from lawsuits.
- AgentOrange1234 7y ago
  If we (society) took an air traffic safety approach, e.g., analyzing each crash, root causing it, and working to address it, one can imagine a day where self-driving cars are very safe. (I’m sure that day is a long way off still.)
- stale2002 7y ago
  These lawsuits alright happen. Right now. A car manufacturer can already be sued for things that go wrong, in a car, but the world keeps spinning.
  - takeda 7y ago
    Nope, they already lobbied that car owner is responsible for failures of the self driving system.
RichardCA 7y ago
I disagree that it's obvious. Even a mediocre driver can do things like change lanes in heavy traffic. The nut of the problem is a social one. You have to signal your intention and then figure out when someone else is going to let you in. The basic human ability to form a picture that includes the intentions of the other human beings around them is part of the "Strong AI problem" and may never be solved, ever.

raducu 7y ago

While I would love for self-driving cars to be a thing, the AI to detect tired, distracted, drunk or sleeping drivers could be in every car way, way before self-driving cars will be a thing.

spookthesunset 7y ago

> Self-driving cars don't even have to be particularly good drivers to be better than the average human, given how much the human average is dragged down by recklessnes Tell that to the jury when your self driving car runs into the side of school bus full of kids (which will happen given any reasonable adoption). Self driving cars would have to be held to an almost insanely high standard to be “winnable lawsuit” proof.

WalterBright 7y ago
Such lawsuits are a net detriment to society. It's why light airplane design remains stuck in the 1960s, and why vaccine companies are protected from lawsuits.
AgentOrange1234 7y ago
If we (society) took an air traffic safety approach, e.g., analyzing each crash, root causing it, and working to address it, one can imagine a day where self-driving cars are very safe. (I’m sure that day is a long way off still.)
stale2002 7y ago
These lawsuits alright happen. Right now. A car manufacturer can already be sued for things that go wrong, in a car, but the world keeps spinning.
- takeda 7y ago
  Nope, they already lobbied that car owner is responsible for failures of the self driving system.

RichardCA 7y ago

I disagree that it's obvious. Even a mediocre driver can do things like change lanes in heavy traffic. The nut of the problem is a social one. You have to signal your intention and then figure out when someone else is going to let you in. The basic human ability to form a picture that includes the intentions of the other human beings around them is part of the "Strong AI problem" and may never be solved, ever.