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SeaMonkey 2.53.1 Beta 1

74 points by XzetaU8 7y ago

Santosh83 7y ago
How do they plan to maintain the code for HTML WYSIWYG composer, IRC chat client, when current and future releases are based on modern Gecko and Firefox? Will composer in particular be dropped sometime in future? It is (in my opinion) one of the selling points of SeaMonkey as its a really easy to use HTML editor for creating quick pages.
- deleted 7y ago
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- wott 7y ago
  I can't answer your question (I don't use that part of Seamonkey), but I have the feeling they are unfortunately following the same steps as the main Mozilla product, just with some (appreciable) delay: they dropped GTK2 support in last version, and they are dropping ALSA support soon (I thought in this release, but I don't see it written in this page), both things I need on my Linux setup. Another user said he was happy to see this new release for his XP laptop; well, they are supposed to drop XP in this release too :-(
winrid 7y ago
I was always surprised that Mongo used SeaMonkey for running scripts. Why didn't they pick V8?
- christkv 7y ago
  They did run v8 for a time but changes in v8 meant when isolates came in made it not feasible anymore as I remember. So they switched back.
- tux1968 7y ago
  Believe you're thinking about SpiderMonkey. SeaMonkey is an application suite with email, browser, IRC, etc.
  - winrid 7y ago
    Hahaha, yes. Oops.
adonnjohn 7y ago
Living a bit under a rock here. Can somebody help me understand the utility of SeaMonkey in comparison to FF?
- forgotmypw_ 7y ago
  Traditional browser with the typical UI going back to almost the beginning, menu bars and everything. Plus mail, newsgroups, calendar.
- EmilStenstrom 7y ago
  ”Containing an Internet browser, email & newsgroup client with an included web feed reader, HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools, SeaMonkey is sure to appeal to advanced users, web developers and corporate users. Under the hood, SeaMonkey uses much of the same Mozilla Firefox source code which powers such products as Thunderbird. Legal backing is provided by the SeaMonkey Association (SeaMonkey e.V.).”
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- chungy 7y ago
  Think of it as Firefox but with the old Netscape UI intact.
- thought_alarm 7y ago
  This is the open source version of Netscape Communicator circa 1997. It is mozilla.org's first and oldest open source browser client. That client was eventually split in to Firefox (browser) and Thunderbird (the rest). It has all the features of Firefox, plus built-in support for your favorite social media newsgroups, email, and contacts.
  - Aloha 7y ago
    Open Source version of Netscape 5, which came out later than 1997
  - cxr 7y ago
erickhill 7y ago
Probably not a popular sentiment, but for someone continuing to use and maintain a Win XP Thinkpad T60, this is really cool news.
- mkup 7y ago
  Are you aware of any other web browsers for Windows XP, which are still updated, besides MyPal and this one (SeaMonkey)?
  - TheKIngofBelAir 7y ago
    New Moon, K-Meleon, 360 Extreme Explorer (Chromium 78) https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my-browser-builds-part-2/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my-browser-builds-part-2... https://msfn.org/board/topic/178380-extreme-explorer-360-chromium-78-general-discussion/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/178380-extreme-explorer-360-chr...
  - haunter 7y ago
    Maxthon XP is still huge in China https://www.maxthon.com https://www.maxthon.com I use that on my XP VM You can find all here http://www.xpbrowsers.com http://www.xpbrowsers.com
    - XzetaU8 7y ago
      "Bug that grants admin rights to malware found in Maxthon, China's favorite browser" https://www.zdnet.com/article/bug-that-grants-admin-rights-to-malware-found-in-maxthon-chinas-favorite-browser/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/bug-that-grants-admin-rights-t...
- relyks 7y ago
  This is interesting. Why would anyone need to still use Windows XP?
  - luxuryballs 7y ago
    Same reasons people still use record players perhaps.
samantohermes 7y ago
Killed by Mozilla...
fuball63 7y ago
I use Seamonkey at work and my coworkers make fun of me whenever I have to screenshare. I originally switched because some years ago, Chrome was being a memory hog, and I remembered using Seamonkey years before that. I still use it every day, and was recently wondering when the next update would happen. Thanks to all the devs out there fighting the good fight!
- cowmix 7y ago
  OMG. I could have written this very comment. The chortles and sneers I get are numerous. One other reason to use SeaMonkey is it works the best with the -D (socks5) feature of ssh, even better than Firefox's implementation. If you have to traverse into networks via SSH and browse, SeaMonkey is your best friend.
  - zamadatix 7y ago
    Curious what/how it does better with socks5. I'd assume it's the same code.
- wott 7y ago
  > I originally switched because some years ago, Chrome was being a memory hog, and I remembered using Seamonkey years before that. Same for me a loooong time ago, when I found out that running Seamonkey Web browser and e-mail client together used less memory than either of Firefox or Thunderbird alone. After a few years I stopped using it for e-mail, because I had troubles with several specific versions crashing too often, and having all one's eggs in the same basket is not a good idea when one of the eggs rots the others (i.e. a browser crash killing the e-mail client and vice-versa). My parents are still using it for both Web and email, one on Linux, the other on Windows. It is more stable these days. [ posted from Seamonkey, my main browser on Windows and single one on Linux :-) ]
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agumonkey 7y ago
a pleasure to see the old gui :)

74 points by XzetaU8 7y ago

How do they plan to maintain the code for HTML WYSIWYG composer, IRC chat client, when current and future releases are based on modern Gecko and Firefox? Will composer in particular be dropped sometime in future? It is (in my opinion) one of the selling points of SeaMonkey as its a really easy to use HTML editor for creating quick pages.

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wott 7y ago
I can't answer your question (I don't use that part of Seamonkey), but I have the feeling they are unfortunately following the same steps as the main Mozilla product, just with some (appreciable) delay: they dropped GTK2 support in last version, and they are dropping ALSA support soon (I thought in this release, but I don't see it written in this page), both things I need on my Linux setup. Another user said he was happy to see this new release for his XP laptop; well, they are supposed to drop XP in this release too :-(

winrid 7y ago

I was always surprised that Mongo used SeaMonkey for running scripts. Why didn't they pick V8?

christkv 7y ago
They did run v8 for a time but changes in v8 meant when isolates came in made it not feasible anymore as I remember. So they switched back.
tux1968 7y ago
Believe you're thinking about SpiderMonkey. SeaMonkey is an application suite with email, browser, IRC, etc.
- winrid 7y ago
  Hahaha, yes. Oops.

adonnjohn 7y ago

Living a bit under a rock here. Can somebody help me understand the utility of SeaMonkey in comparison to FF?

forgotmypw_ 7y ago
Traditional browser with the typical UI going back to almost the beginning, menu bars and everything. Plus mail, newsgroups, calendar.
EmilStenstrom 7y ago
”Containing an Internet browser, email & newsgroup client with an included web feed reader, HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools, SeaMonkey is sure to appeal to advanced users, web developers and corporate users. Under the hood, SeaMonkey uses much of the same Mozilla Firefox source code which powers such products as Thunderbird. Legal backing is provided by the SeaMonkey Association (SeaMonkey e.V.).”
deleted 7y ago
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chungy 7y ago
Think of it as Firefox but with the old Netscape UI intact.
thought_alarm 7y ago
This is the open source version of Netscape Communicator circa 1997. It is mozilla.org's first and oldest open source browser client. That client was eventually split in to Firefox (browser) and Thunderbird (the rest). It has all the features of Firefox, plus built-in support for your favorite social media newsgroups, email, and contacts.
- Aloha 7y ago
  Open Source version of Netscape 5, which came out later than 1997
- cxr 7y ago

erickhill 7y ago

Probably not a popular sentiment, but for someone continuing to use and maintain a Win XP Thinkpad T60, this is really cool news.

mkup 7y ago
Are you aware of any other web browsers for Windows XP, which are still updated, besides MyPal and this one (SeaMonkey)?
- TheKIngofBelAir 7y ago
  New Moon, K-Meleon, 360 Extreme Explorer (Chromium 78) https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my-browser-builds-part-2/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/180462-my-browser-builds-part-2... https://msfn.org/board/topic/178380-extreme-explorer-360-chromium-78-general-discussion/ https://msfn.org/board/topic/178380-extreme-explorer-360-chr...
- haunter 7y ago
  Maxthon XP is still huge in China https://www.maxthon.com https://www.maxthon.com I use that on my XP VM You can find all here http://www.xpbrowsers.com http://www.xpbrowsers.com
  - XzetaU8 7y ago
    "Bug that grants admin rights to malware found in Maxthon, China's favorite browser" https://www.zdnet.com/article/bug-that-grants-admin-rights-to-malware-found-in-maxthon-chinas-favorite-browser/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/bug-that-grants-admin-rights-t...
relyks 7y ago
This is interesting. Why would anyone need to still use Windows XP?
- luxuryballs 7y ago
  Same reasons people still use record players perhaps.

samantohermes 7y ago

Killed by Mozilla...

fuball63 7y ago

I use Seamonkey at work and my coworkers make fun of me whenever I have to screenshare. I originally switched because some years ago, Chrome was being a memory hog, and I remembered using Seamonkey years before that. I still use it every day, and was recently wondering when the next update would happen. Thanks to all the devs out there fighting the good fight!

cowmix 7y ago
OMG. I could have written this very comment. The chortles and sneers I get are numerous. One other reason to use SeaMonkey is it works the best with the -D (socks5) feature of ssh, even better than Firefox's implementation. If you have to traverse into networks via SSH and browse, SeaMonkey is your best friend.
- zamadatix 7y ago
  Curious what/how it does better with socks5. I'd assume it's the same code.
wott 7y ago
> I originally switched because some years ago, Chrome was being a memory hog, and I remembered using Seamonkey years before that. Same for me a loooong time ago, when I found out that running Seamonkey Web browser and e-mail client together used less memory than either of Firefox or Thunderbird alone. After a few years I stopped using it for e-mail, because I had troubles with several specific versions crashing too often, and having all one's eggs in the same basket is not a good idea when one of the eggs rots the others (i.e. a browser crash killing the e-mail client and vice-versa). My parents are still using it for both Web and email, one on Linux, the other on Windows. It is more stable these days. [ posted from Seamonkey, my main browser on Windows and single one on Linux :-) ]

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agumonkey 7y ago

a pleasure to see the old gui :)