6 ms·

>There's just too many drivers I think. interesting, I'm desperate for more drivers. I run a side business that delivers cookies, drivers do just under 30 del

>There's just too many drivers I think. interesting, I'm desperate for more drivers. I run a side business that delivers cookies, drivers do just under 30 deliveries a day (about 3-4 every hour) and make minimum wage plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period. it ends up being about $3/delivery in tips, which is an extra $9/hr for a total of $21/hr (minimum wage is $12). A driver could theoretically make over $50k/yr if they worked 6 days a week, but most choose not to (4-5 days a week). I've put a lot of work into the software to make it as efficient as possible so driver can get more orders and tips. My business: https://cravecookie.com/ https://cravecookie.com/

ec109685 7y ago
6 days a week is a lot.
- devmunchies 7y ago
  yup, it is. but if a driver needs the money... we don't ask or expect it.
oefrha 7y ago
Unsolicited advice: maybe put the pricing next to or before the quick checkout section, or at least link to the pricing section before the quick checkout form? I’m not going to give you my address before I decide to enter a business relationship with you (which requires pricing info), and it was not at all clear to me pricing info is available before I go through the checkout process until I scrolled all the way to the bottom of the page just in case.
ISL 7y ago
Is that $21/hr in revenue or $21/hr in profit for the driver? If the mileage cost is the $0.58/mi stated in the article, then the cost of driving ~15-30 miles in that hour is $9-17.
tallanvor 7y ago
"plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period" Split with who?
- devmunchies 7y ago
  the other drivers. so if we received a total of 100 orders and a driver went on 29 orders, then they get 29% of all the tips. If a baker went on only 2 deliveries then they get 2% of tips. Ends up averaging to "$3/delivery in tips" that i shared above. Thats just for tips from the checkout form, they keep cash tips.
choppaface 7y ago
A lot of the Doordash driver complaints center around a few issues that Crave Cookies solves: * Drivers want consistent volume; a single popular vendor can provide that. * Drivers prefer ultra efficient transport with what they have. A car in a low-density city like Fresno can work well. But a car in a city like SF is a hassle. * Pay needs to be transparent. Doordash / Uber eats appear to be finding that “ride”-share for food order delivery can’t make ends meet with the above. Having more traditional dedicated delivery is probably just a better business. Probably why TK decided to do cloud kitchens.
dangus 7y ago
.
- devmunchies 7y ago
  We only have one location so our overhead is too high. Once we add a couple more locations then we could afford that. We're profitable but not enough to raise wages. I'm not even getting paid from my own startup yet. >poverty wages This is the California minumum wage, but our location is in fresno which is a lower cost of living than the bay or LA. >Gee, I wonder why nobody wants to work for you? chill. Starting a company is hard.
  - dangus 7y ago
    .
    - devmunchies 7y ago
      drivers make $400-500 per week in tips. you can buy a car for that. > Why should they work for you when they could work there (Aldi) Why work for Aldi when they can work for Dangus?
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > drivers make $400-500 per week in tips At the $3 tip per delivery you cite, that's 133-167 deliveries. It's not improbable that the all-in cost of driving is $1+ per delivery, also tips of more than $20/month are taxed (at the full value of the tips) for both income and payroll tax (unlike, incidentally, mileage reimbursement up to the IRS limit of $0.58/mile which is completely tax free.)
dragonwriter 7y ago
> I run a side business that delivers cookies, drivers do just under 30 deliveries a day (about 3-4 every hour) and make minimum wage plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period. That sucks (EDIT: that is, the pay you are offering.) Back when I was driving delivery (pizza, but it doesn't matter) with a personal vehicle, we got minimum wage, plus $1/delivery (and this was in the early 1990s), plus kept 100% of tips at the end of the night. The only drivers I knew of not getting a per-delivery reimbursement were driving employer-provided vehicles. If there isn't a per-delivery or mileage reimbursement, you are effectively paying below minimum wage before tips, because cars cost money to operate.

ec109685 7y ago

6 days a week is a lot.

devmunchies 7y ago
yup, it is. but if a driver needs the money... we don't ask or expect it.

oefrha 7y ago

Unsolicited advice: maybe put the pricing next to or before the quick checkout section, or at least link to the pricing section before the quick checkout form? I’m not going to give you my address before I decide to enter a business relationship with you (which requires pricing info), and it was not at all clear to me pricing info is available before I go through the checkout process until I scrolled all the way to the bottom of the page just in case.

ISL 7y ago

Is that $21/hr in revenue or $21/hr in profit for the driver? If the mileage cost is the $0.58/mi stated in the article, then the cost of driving ~15-30 miles in that hour is $9-17.

tallanvor 7y ago

"plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period" Split with who?

devmunchies 7y ago
the other drivers. so if we received a total of 100 orders and a driver went on 29 orders, then they get 29% of all the tips. If a baker went on only 2 deliveries then they get 2% of tips. Ends up averaging to "$3/delivery in tips" that i shared above. Thats just for tips from the checkout form, they keep cash tips.

choppaface 7y ago

A lot of the Doordash driver complaints center around a few issues that Crave Cookies solves: * Drivers want consistent volume; a single popular vendor can provide that. * Drivers prefer ultra efficient transport with what they have. A car in a low-density city like Fresno can work well. But a car in a city like SF is a hassle. * Pay needs to be transparent. Doordash / Uber eats appear to be finding that “ride”-share for food order delivery can’t make ends meet with the above. Having more traditional dedicated delivery is probably just a better business. Probably why TK decided to do cloud kitchens.

dangus 7y ago

devmunchies 7y ago
We only have one location so our overhead is too high. Once we add a couple more locations then we could afford that. We're profitable but not enough to raise wages. I'm not even getting paid from my own startup yet. >poverty wages This is the California minumum wage, but our location is in fresno which is a lower cost of living than the bay or LA. >Gee, I wonder why nobody wants to work for you? chill. Starting a company is hard.
- dangus 7y ago
  .
  - devmunchies 7y ago
    drivers make $400-500 per week in tips. you can buy a car for that. > Why should they work for you when they could work there (Aldi) Why work for Aldi when they can work for Dangus?
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > drivers make $400-500 per week in tips At the $3 tip per delivery you cite, that's 133-167 deliveries. It's not improbable that the all-in cost of driving is $1+ per delivery, also tips of more than $20/month are taxed (at the full value of the tips) for both income and payroll tax (unlike, incidentally, mileage reimbursement up to the IRS limit of $0.58/mile which is completely tax free.)

dragonwriter 7y ago

> I run a side business that delivers cookies, drivers do just under 30 deliveries a day (about 3-4 every hour) and make minimum wage plus 100% of tips are split at the end of pay period. That sucks (EDIT: that is, the pay you are offering.) Back when I was driving delivery (pizza, but it doesn't matter) with a personal vehicle, we got minimum wage, plus $1/delivery (and this was in the early 1990s), plus kept 100% of tips at the end of the night. The only drivers I knew of not getting a per-delivery reimbursement were driving employer-provided vehicles. If there isn't a per-delivery or mileage reimbursement, you are effectively paying below minimum wage before tips, because cars cost money to operate.