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I always considered the "you can't get at the data of an iPhone" a marketing slogan, not really worth my trust. I am still off the opinion, once you give up/lo
by mlang23 7y ago
I always considered the "you can't get at the data of an iPhone" a marketing slogan, not really worth my trust. I am still off the opinion, once you give up/loose physical access to a device, the game is over.
Also, I dont see why this is such a big deal for so many people. Is the percentage of people that have the FBI as their adversary really so high? :-)
- csunbird 7y agoIf FBI can do it, that means any other third party is able to do it too, it is just a matter of time.
- baobabKoodaa 7y agoA phone thief may theoretically spend a few months to unlock your phone, but in practice they won't.
- have_faith 7y agoWhen an exploit is leaked and turned into software that can run on commodity hardware then the thief might only have to spend a few minutes.
- faeyanpiraat 7y agoTime also helps, because the software on the phone stops getting the fresh security fixes.
- fastbeef 7y agoAny other third party with funding on the level of FBI
- michaelt 7y agoSo long as the reports are "FBI can unlock iPhones by unknown means" we don't know the cost to execute the exploit. Just because the FBI pay $$$$ per unlock, doesn't mean the marginal cost to the supplier is $$$$, that could just be GrayKey trying to cover the $$$$$$$ they paid for an exploit, and make some profit.
- mlang23 7y agoSo, I recommend, just dont loose your shit... Besides, the typical thief aims to resell the hardware. They dont care about the pics you have of your gf...
- urbanjunkie 7y agoLearn English and fuck off you autistic loser.
- roydivision 7y agoThis is the point. Third party being foreign government, or eventually your own government. You may not have anything to hide, but you’re only one law away from what constitutes ‘something to hide’.
- DagAgren 7y agoPhysical access does not at all need to mean that the game is over, with today's architectures. With an iPhone, any storage you can access with physical access is going to be encrypted. The encryption key lives in the secure enclave, which you do not have access to even with physical access, barring drastic measure like trying to take chips apart and scanning their contents, which may or may not be feasible at all. What still may be possible is bugs and exploits, but that's up to whether you are lucky enough to have one that works against a particular phone and firmware.
- mlang23 7y agoI dont believe this explanation. Not because it comes from you. I never believed it. "Secure enclave", yeah. sure. My point is, if you have sensitive data that you dont want to loose, you should probably not carry it around with you all day. Apple is trying to convince us that they have invented a sort of security that hasn't existed before. They claim they have invented a piece of paper that nobody else can read. This claim is so old, and has never been true. If I wanted to hide an important piece of information, I guess I'd find a physically obscure and secured playce, like a hidden safe or whatnot. But I wouldn't trust crypto, no matter if the key were placed in a "secure enclave" (haha), or not.
- tcd 7y agoIt's not possible to generate a computer system that will remain secure for the rest of time. All encryption can be decrypted. Every phone ever sold can have its internal data read, it's not a case of if but when. This also applies to every HDD, SDD and any encryption software you may be using, it will be cracked eventually.
- DagAgren 7y agoHow do you read data inside the secure enclave, then?
- faeyanpiraat 7y ago