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New 10.3″ Waveshare E Ink Monitor
- TylerE 7y agohttps://www.waveshare.com/product/oleds-lcds/e-paper/eink-disp-103.htm https://www.waveshare.com/product/oleds-lcds/e-paper/eink-di... - since this link seems to be hugged to death
- SamReidHughes 7y agoOh, thanks. Looks like it has 5 Hz refresh at best. So, probably not good for coding as they claim; 200 ms is a lot of lag for typing.
- TylerE 7y agoYes, that's horrible. That's in black and white mode, not grayscale too, which I'm sure is going to be even slower.
- kube-system 7y ago5hz sounds pretty good as far as e-ink goes. Most e-ink displays measure refresh rate in seconds rather than hertz.
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- jascii 7y agoSounds faster then the mechanical tty's I started out on..
- SamReidHughes 7y agoWell I'm so smart only a Trinitron running at 85 Hz or higher can keep up with me. (And, of course, without the correct mouse, Model M keyboard, Emacs configuration, and thermostat setting, my productivity gets shot to hell.)
- yellowapple 7y agoI feel personally attacked, lol
- arkh 7y agoNot good for coding. But check documentation on the side? Maybe.
- frou_dh 7y agoI imagine using it simultaneously with a traditional screen would be a constant reminder of its deficiencies. Probably need to use it alone to experience the zen of eInk.
- yason 7y agoI suppose it won't lag the way a low-bandwidth serial port would lag (letters and edits coming visibly late) but much like mosh "lags" shell output (i.e. network lags are just swallowed and the newer packets will update everything once they arrive, and you can keep on typing). So you could type as fast as you can, the computer would update its front buffer without delay, and all keyboard commands to move around in the editor would be executed instantly just like normal but the screen would only get full updates five times a second. I could work with that.
- Tcepsa 7y agoI regularly VPN into work from my home and experience 200ms+ delays quite frequently. In my experience, that delay in updating the screen to reflect my typing is not particularly problematic.
- errantspark 7y agoThe website doesn't load for me but the monitor is available here https://www.waveshare.com/product/oleds-lcds/e-paper/eink-disp-103.htm https://www.waveshare.com/product/oleds-lcds/e-paper/eink-di... Unfortunately vendors are somehow constitutionally incapable of providing useful technical information for eInk displays. It's so frustrating that there's a huge graphic extolling it's FPGA based refresh technology but actual technical information is almost completely absent. Why can't I just get a datasheet? I'll summarize here so other people don't have to grep through this mess. HDMI input 1872×1404 5V/3A ~5Hz refresh in mode A2 There are 3 modes, GC16, A2 and A2+, no technical information is provided but there are some tiny (simulated?) screenshots. It appears that mode A2, the "high refresh rate" one is purely black and white with no gray.
- numlock86 7y agoIs grayscale achieved by dithering algorithms inside the FPGA controller or is this some other E-Ink wizardry that actually can handle grayscale pixels? I mean there was a HN post about a full RGB-E-Ink display last week or something. Any spec or pricing is behind a NDA, though. EDIT: Nevermind, they explicitly state it's 16 level grayscale.
- hmottestad 7y agoVideo link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Qb68B-MjmGs&feature=emb_logo https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=Qb68B-MjmGs&...
- paranoidrobot 7y agoThe video, if it's actually representative of the real product (not sped up/contrast adjusted too obscenely) looks like it could be useful for semi-static displays.
- Fnoord 7y agoYes, information billboards on railway station, bus, train. Though 10" is perhaps too small for such. Bonus (IMO) it not being distracting with colors.
- unlit_spark 7y agoI really like the product, but I feel the price is a little too high for me at the moment
- nucleardog 7y agoYeah I've got a few projects that would make good use of an eInk screen (simplified UI, no colour or fast refresh needed, running off of batteries) but... I built the entire project with a backlit LCD touchscreen for $250. Over five hundred dollars kinda blows a big hole in the project budget.
- CoolGuySteve 7y agoWhatever happened to those non-backlit LCD displays like in the game boy color and game boy advance? Seems like with no backlight, you could make a 1080p matte version of those that could push 60 somewhat streaky frames per second for like 0.5 Watts or less.
- hmottestad 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid-crystal_display https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid-crystal_d...
- andrewla 7y agoI've had trouble finding a good source to actually purchases these for hobbyist projects. Any pointers on sellers?
- henryackerman 7y agoGarmin devices are equipped with those. Pretty awesome for outdoor devices like GPSMap devices. Perfectly legible in very intense sunlight.
- m-p-3 7y agoI wish more smartwatch used those..
- opdahl 7y agoIn the promotion video they end on it saying that the display is «great for coding». I have really never thought about using an E Ink display for programming tasks, but given low enough latency and a well lit office wouldn’t it be the ideal solution compared to normal LED/LCD backlight type displays? From my experience using an Kindle it is way less eye strain, and reducing the amount of strain, in this case hours every day, would have to have a positive effect over time. Maybe in the future it will be normal to have dedicated E Ink programming displays.
- srmatto 7y agoI've been waiting for this technology to improve to the point that a laptop or portable computer could be made to write code while outdoors.
- prox 7y agoIt is almost as if for some reason they don’t want programmers outdoors ;) But on a serious note this could be THE e-ink killer feature to propel it in the market.
- TuringTest 7y agoYou may want to check Boox Max2 monitor mode ;-) https://youtu.be/SSv0g-pYMAk?t=603 https://youtu.be/SSv0g-pYMAk?t=603
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- lolc 7y agoMy understanding is that Eink is sitting on a lot of patents describing these displays. When the first will expire in a few years we will hopefully see competition with new formats.
- ryall 7y agoBy that time, maybe we’ll have high-res holo lens available, and eink will have missed the boat
- filleokus 7y agoI would instantly buy a display that is intended to be put on top of my MBP display, and that is suitable for use outdoor on a sunny day. Perhaps e ink isn't even the most suitable technology for that task, but rather the old-school transflective LCD's.
- TuringTest 7y agoIMHO e-ink is much better technology for reading in the sun. Old-school LCDs get a shadow under each pixel, creating a double image that makes everything blurry.
- rbanffy 7y agoI wonder where the PixelQi screens ended up.
- TuringTest 7y agoBasically what I heard from the Adam tablet, they couldn't guarantee reliable build quality, so they ended up dying. I've also found this: https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-rise-and-fall-of-pixel-qi-how-it-shaped-the-e-reader-revolution https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-rise-and...
- rbanffy 7y agoI got the impression their fab subcontractor ditched them because of the low volume. Unreliable build quality should not be a huge issue as the process is very close to conventional LCD panels, although the pixel density is about 9 times higher than similarly specced LCD's. Maybe the diffractive layer it used instead of filters was the issue... In any case, it's a shame.
- social_quotient 7y agoI’ve always wished there was a baby monitor display that was made out of this. Seems like it would be a ton better than the light emission of the regular screens all night. In my room I’ve blocked out just about everything except that darn monitor - these stickers helped a ton https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009WSJNCW https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009WSJNCW
- DaveSapien 7y agoMaybe a good product for someone. Only if they dropped the hdmi mini port in favour of both a full sized hdmi, and a USBC (power and display) port.
- chx 7y agoLet me express my love for the Dasung not-eReader again as I did here a week ago but this is an even more appropriate thread. To avoid reposting all that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21999254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21999254
- fencepost 7y agoIf I'm spending more than $500, I'd rather jump up to over $800 for 13.3" and an Android based ebook reader. 2200x1650 https://onyxboox.com/boox_max3 https://onyxboox.com/boox_max3 Edit: but maybe the Waveshare experience is better than this https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2019/09/30/onyx-boox-max3-as-an-e-ink-monitor-review-video/ https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2019/09/30/onyx-boox-max3-... Edit2: that Onyx video doesn't look so bad...
- xellisx 7y agoOr get a reMarkable...
- fencepost 7y agoDefinitely tempting, but I'm honestly more interested in an ebook reader suited for larger formats and don't think I'd be a interested in a tablet as a pad of paper replacement. My concern about the Boox devices in the past was the already - EOL OS, but the newer one appears to have Android 9 instead of the 6 of earlier ones.
- xellisx 7y agoSame here, just can spend that much. Heck I can see spending 400 on a reader.
- JonasEldert 7y agoI've always found the value proposition of e-ink to be completely off. Is this an actual cost of production, or does e-ink have some sort of business model or patent problem that is getting in the way?