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Even if "trust no one" is good advice, it's certainly not evidence that Facebook or Apple listen to audio from your phone and use that to target advertisements.

• harry8 7y ago
  Verify uisng evidence. Esepcially when dealing with the claims of an industry of pathological liars. Especially verify if there are zero consequences for someone deliberately and falsely making a claim that this time there is no deception. Deliberately false and misleading claims by facebrick, goog, apple and the entire internet advertising con-job is how we got to this point, remember. So maybe don't just decide to believe blindly when that has been tried before with the outcome we have. The _denial_ is the thing that is not evidence. Whether it is happening or not the denial here is not worth electrons used to deliver it. I make no claims at all about what /is/ happening beyond all these companies having zero credibility given their incredible bait and switch to produce an outcome that literally nobody agreed to.
  • baddox 7y ago
    > Verify uisng evidence. Esepcially when dealing with the claims of an industry of pathological liars. Verify what, exactly? Verify literally every claim someone else makes that Facebook denies? There's simply no smoking gun to indicate that they're listening to phone audio. It would be extremely surprising if security researchers had not discovered them secretly doing this, or that a concerned employee wouldn't have leaked it to the press. I don't trust these companies either, but that doesn't mean I believe any and all negative claims made about them, particularly claims that don't have any evidence supporting them other than the occasional well-targeted advertisement.
    • harry8 7y ago
      So now flip it and decide whether you trust positive claims that facebrick are not doing whatever. That is what we are discussing, here, now. I don't trust those positive claims that facebook are not misbehaving. If you do, I can't help you. Is that evidence of their nuclear weapons program? Obviously and clearly not. I have never here put forward evidence of their misbehaving. That continues to come regularly. Whether it is this or somenthing else more will come is a reasonble bet. Should you trust them or anyone who says without evidence "we are doing nothing wrong" That is being addressed here. Do you? Really? So much pushback for taking exception to an anonymous defence with no evidence. Surely taking exception to anonymous claims with no evidence because "trust me" is what every single one of should do. Especially when we've been burned so very, very hard. Until there are real consequences for telling lies trusting facebook denials is naieve in the extreme. Fool me a 56th time what am I? An owner of a facebrick account.
  • ViViDboarder 7y ago
    I don’t really trust them more than I can throw them, however I’m inclined to believe in this case given the practicality of it. Capturing and parsing all that audio is expensive and would be low signal to noise. Additionally, many of these companies are sitting on data that is significantly more valuable and relevant. So purely from a selfish business perspective, which is how I assume they make decisions, why would they implement this? And that is to say nothing of the PR risks. What do you have leading you to believe it’s happening? Or are you simply saying we should not implicitly trust the anon commenter? If so, I agree fully.