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> "The nail that sticks out gets knocked down." Ever since I first heard this I've kept both this phrase and the phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" in

> "The nail that sticks out gets knocked down." Ever since I first heard this I've kept both this phrase and the phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" in mind at the same time. Basically, both sides of this coin together ask you "should you speak up?" type of thing; substitute "speak up" with whatever the given situation is.

raarts 7y ago
We Dutch have a similar proverb: "Whoever sticks his head above ground level, his head is cut off. "
- duxup 7y ago
  That seems a lot less elegant a phrase...
  - davidgay 7y ago
    I'm guessing it sounds a lot more elegant in Dutch...
    - raarts 7y ago
      Not really. It's a literal translation, and it's just as bad.
- seppin 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome
- rb808 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
  - novok 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
- 1996 7y ago
  Tall poppy syndrome, which can be oppressive in Northern Europe. Germany seems more relaxed than the Netherlands, and France seems to be worse. I've had friends telling me their Mercedes got frequently keyed for no reason, and the old Mercedes star on their classic even got ripped off.
  - bengalister 7y ago
    French guy here. There is a proverb in France that says that to live a happy life, you'd better keep a low profile (not literal translation which would more be to live a happy life, live hidden) "vivons heureux, vivons cachés". So yes if you own nice things and show it publicly, you'll get annoying comments, have them damaged or stolen. And it is getting worse. Unlike in Japan, I would not expect a lost wallet to be returned to its owner, never.
  - monksy 7y ago
    That's very true in Germany. They do have a lot of freedoms, but they aren't very creative as a society. They fall back on strong adherence to rules and their culture re-enforces it. See this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/10599631/Why-the-green-man-is-king-in-Germany.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/10599631/Why-the...
    - wahern 7y ago
      I don't think creativity and adherence to social rules lie along the same axis. Strictures can spur and channel creativity. And the absence of strong normative behaviors doesn't coincidence with greater creativity--there are plenty of countries, mostly undeveloped, where people generally do anything they want[1], but there's not much creativity going on. As the rest of the world industrializes and the deficiencies and costs of our own social fabric are revealed in comparison, Americans seem to increasingly like to distinguish ourselves as "creative". But it's really just a euphemism intended to characterize our differences in a way that permits us to claim that we're "better" at something. Back when the U.S. was a leading industrial power house, when our democratic institutions were unique, there was no need to identify a specific quality like creativity to distinguish ourselves. [1] I've been in at least one country where the very concept of a line seemed foreign to most of the people, who were within months or years (not even generations) removed from an nomadic lifestyle. This was qualitatively different than in some other countries with aggressive line jockeying and cheating.
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SkyBelow 7y ago
It is interesting to ponder why we do either. We hammer nails because we want a flat surface. We grease wheels because we want quite wheels. If you get the hammer or the grease depends upon what is needed to fix the problem. Do you need a punishment or a reward.
washadjeffmad 7y ago
I typically follow that with a warning that the wheel that squeaks too much or too loudly gets replaced. A personal lesson on appeasement or the value of conformity, I suppose. And in Japanese there are a plenitude of idioms about not standing out. The high post gets hammered down, the tall flower gets pruned, and the speeding car gets stopped are others I've encountered.

raarts 7y ago

We Dutch have a similar proverb: "Whoever sticks his head above ground level, his head is cut off. "

duxup 7y ago
That seems a lot less elegant a phrase...
- davidgay 7y ago
  I'm guessing it sounds a lot more elegant in Dutch...
  - raarts 7y ago
    Not really. It's a literal translation, and it's just as bad.
seppin 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome
rb808 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
- novok 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
1996 7y ago
Tall poppy syndrome, which can be oppressive in Northern Europe. Germany seems more relaxed than the Netherlands, and France seems to be worse. I've had friends telling me their Mercedes got frequently keyed for no reason, and the old Mercedes star on their classic even got ripped off.
- bengalister 7y ago
  French guy here. There is a proverb in France that says that to live a happy life, you'd better keep a low profile (not literal translation which would more be to live a happy life, live hidden) "vivons heureux, vivons cachés". So yes if you own nice things and show it publicly, you'll get annoying comments, have them damaged or stolen. And it is getting worse. Unlike in Japan, I would not expect a lost wallet to be returned to its owner, never.
- monksy 7y ago
  That's very true in Germany. They do have a lot of freedoms, but they aren't very creative as a society. They fall back on strong adherence to rules and their culture re-enforces it. See this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/10599631/Why-the-green-man-is-king-in-Germany.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/10599631/Why-the...
  - wahern 7y ago
    I don't think creativity and adherence to social rules lie along the same axis. Strictures can spur and channel creativity. And the absence of strong normative behaviors doesn't coincidence with greater creativity--there are plenty of countries, mostly undeveloped, where people generally do anything they want[1], but there's not much creativity going on. As the rest of the world industrializes and the deficiencies and costs of our own social fabric are revealed in comparison, Americans seem to increasingly like to distinguish ourselves as "creative". But it's really just a euphemism intended to characterize our differences in a way that permits us to claim that we're "better" at something. Back when the U.S. was a leading industrial power house, when our democratic institutions were unique, there was no need to identify a specific quality like creativity to distinguish ourselves. [1] I've been in at least one country where the very concept of a line seemed foreign to most of the people, who were within months or years (not even generations) removed from an nomadic lifestyle. This was qualitatively different than in some other countries with aggressive line jockeying and cheating.
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SkyBelow 7y ago

It is interesting to ponder why we do either. We hammer nails because we want a flat surface. We grease wheels because we want quite wheels. If you get the hammer or the grease depends upon what is needed to fix the problem. Do you need a punishment or a reward.

washadjeffmad 7y ago

I typically follow that with a warning that the wheel that squeaks too much or too loudly gets replaced. A personal lesson on appeasement or the value of conformity, I suppose. And in Japanese there are a plenitude of idioms about not standing out. The high post gets hammered down, the tall flower gets pruned, and the speeding car gets stopped are others I've encountered.