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I'm not yet at the point of starting a family, but when the time approaches I'm going to seriously consider other, more functional societies as places to do so.

by _bxg1 7y ago

taylodl 7y ago
What's keeping you from considering those other societies now? Why wait until you're starting a family?
- shrimp_emoji 7y ago
  Tech flows downstream from Burgerstan.
- mdorazio 7y ago
  For most people: economic opportunity. Which is itself a funny thing because it at least seems like the more socially progressive a place is the less opportunity there is to gain financial success quickly, so you end up with this weird situation where people want to have their cake and eat it too by working in the US for 10-15 years and then moving elsewhere.
- _bxg1 7y ago
  It's good enough right now as a healthy, single, affluent working adult. Or at least, it's not bad enough to consider leaving behind family and friends. But if I had to think about a child's future, as well as my own increasing healthcare needs later in life, combined with the fact that the societal problems are only getting worse the longer time goes on, the equation may well work out differently.
  - foogazi 7y ago
    But if it’s good for you now, wouldn’t it be good for your kids at that same stage in the future? I think about this too - The grass seems cheaper & healthier on the other side sometimes, but the economic advantages of the US are impressive
  - taylodl 7y ago
    Moving to a new country is hard. Moving a family to a new country is exponentially harder. If you were seriously contemplating starting a new life in a new country then the best time to do it is before you get married and start having kids. You should even be thinking of marrying someone local so you have extended family to help with the kids.
throw0x1away 7y ago
Curious, do you have an example of "more functional societies"? Do you have an experience of living in "more functional societies"? I mean not "I read a couple posts" or "a friend of the friend of my third cousin's coworker who spent a weekend in Switzerland" kind of "grass is always greener" situation, but a concrete example?

I'm not yet at the point of starting a family, but when the time approaches I'm going to seriously consider other, more functional societies as places to do so.

by _bxg1 7y ago

I'm not yet at the point of starting a family, but when the time approaches I'm going to seriously consider other, more functional societies as places to do so.

taylodl 7y ago

What's keeping you from considering those other societies now? Why wait until you're starting a family?

shrimp_emoji 7y ago
Tech flows downstream from Burgerstan.
mdorazio 7y ago
For most people: economic opportunity. Which is itself a funny thing because it at least seems like the more socially progressive a place is the less opportunity there is to gain financial success quickly, so you end up with this weird situation where people want to have their cake and eat it too by working in the US for 10-15 years and then moving elsewhere.
_bxg1 7y ago
It's good enough right now as a healthy, single, affluent working adult. Or at least, it's not bad enough to consider leaving behind family and friends. But if I had to think about a child's future, as well as my own increasing healthcare needs later in life, combined with the fact that the societal problems are only getting worse the longer time goes on, the equation may well work out differently.
- foogazi 7y ago
  But if it’s good for you now, wouldn’t it be good for your kids at that same stage in the future? I think about this too - The grass seems cheaper & healthier on the other side sometimes, but the economic advantages of the US are impressive
- taylodl 7y ago
  Moving to a new country is hard. Moving a family to a new country is exponentially harder. If you were seriously contemplating starting a new life in a new country then the best time to do it is before you get married and start having kids. You should even be thinking of marrying someone local so you have extended family to help with the kids.

throw0x1away 7y ago

Curious, do you have an example of "more functional societies"? Do you have an experience of living in "more functional societies"? I mean not "I read a couple posts" or "a friend of the friend of my third cousin's coworker who spent a weekend in Switzerland" kind of "grass is always greener" situation, but a concrete example?