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Not doubting you, but do you have any sources for your claims? I will use Qwant in the future but at the minute it's not suitable (IMO) for daily usage. Ecosi

Not doubting you, but do you have any sources for your claims? I will use Qwant in the future but at the minute it's not suitable (IMO) for daily usage. Ecosia seems like a great idea, but these kind of 'Search and earn' sites have always seemed like a scam to me and I can't find any reason to trust Ecosia over DDG.

nunobrito 7y ago
I'm a software auditor in Europe (per times consulting the European commission itself), mostly for open source licenses but also for cybersec and privacy matters. This topic with DDG is recurring since years. You cannot verify the infrastructure, it is not hosted on EU-bounded servers and they have been asked for cooperation. Nothing moved as far I follow. With Ecosia you are right. The point is that Ecosia accountable to European Law in case of scam. You can trust germans to close down the service if ever deemed to be a scam.
- DavideNL 7y ago
  What do you think about Startpage? And, which European search engine would you recommend?
  - jakub_g 7y ago
    Startpage was acquired by an adtech company a few months ago https://www.ghacks.net/2019/11/16/startpage-search-owner-changes-raise-serious-questions/ https://www.ghacks.net/2019/11/16/startpage-search-owner-cha...
    - DavideNL 7y ago
      Yes i'm aware of that, but they were not 'acquired'... although it's definitely not a good development, i'd argue Startpage is still better (privacy wise) than for example Google.
      - krageon 7y ago
        > i'd argue Startpage is still better Why would you argue this? Adtech companies are one of the big sources of problems with privacy online.
  - nunobrito 7y ago
    That one was verified and passed. While sharing coffee with a colleague years ago, he argued that something smelled odd about them. In is opinion was a front for the CIA or some other sponsored group that harvests data. Mind you that he provided no facts to support this claim. I tried to inform myself as much as possible about them, about their technology and people working there. Very scarce info exists. Try it by yourself, then let me know if you do manage to find more info about them. My only recommendation at the moment is qwant on the european side. Not because of privacy, but mostly to enable diversity of choice on the continent. In case of war or embargo, consequences here would be devastating on the tech-side.
- m00dy 7y ago
  What would be the practices for infrastructure review ?
  - nunobrito 7y ago
    Usually involves talking with someone on the architectural level (Chief Architect, maybe CTO, VP or head of engineering if knowledgeable enough). Then involves onsite visits, questioning about where the data is hosted and factual verification of these claims. Depending on company size/challenge, you might do some tests on their claims from the outside over the period of 24 months. For example, registering an account and then verifying if that one-time email got leaked into some other service. Or, on cases of higher-criticality you will have monitoring of what data is coming out from the datacenter where the apps are running. Direct access to source code reviews is rare. Albeit depending on the level of cooperation it could be a possibibility.
- gdm85 7y ago
  Not sure if you are aware of this (I hope it's not on purpose), but your personal website mentioned on your 'About' description contains some questionable content (gambling?) in indonesian language. If I may ask, was it hacked, you lost the domain or you have put that content there on purpose to generate some revenue?
  - nunobrito 7y ago
    Thanks. Seems my own domain got expired some months ago and then taken over by someone else. It was old, nothing updated in years. I removed from it from the profile box, thank you for letting me know. In the old days was just used for hosting a blog and some papers to share with others. I guess nowadays having a personal domain becomes increasingly less needed.
    - teekert 7y ago
      I'd argue it is increasingly needed, but it depends on your needs/goals ;)
    - gdm85 7y ago
      You're welcome; I figured it was something like that. Sorry "vultures" took it over, I would use something like GitHub/GitLab pages if you are looking for minimum maintenance.
cren 7y ago
I agree about Qwant being unsuitable for daily usage. I had to stop using it after entering a search query via the omnibar in Firefox would sometimes fail, apparently at random, and redirect me to Qwant's homepage instead of the search results.
- nunobrito 7y ago
  Wouldn't know. It works OK for me and I use it on daily basis across several devices.
seiko988 7y ago
I've had very good results with cliqz as far as European search engines go. https://beta.cliqz.com/ https://beta.cliqz.com/
- Zhyl 7y ago
  I find cliqz is very good at natural language queries, but doesn't have the index size a lot of the time. You either end up with 10 results that are exactly what you were searching for or nothing.
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nunobrito 7y ago

I'm a software auditor in Europe (per times consulting the European commission itself), mostly for open source licenses but also for cybersec and privacy matters. This topic with DDG is recurring since years. You cannot verify the infrastructure, it is not hosted on EU-bounded servers and they have been asked for cooperation. Nothing moved as far I follow. With Ecosia you are right. The point is that Ecosia accountable to European Law in case of scam. You can trust germans to close down the service if ever deemed to be a scam.

DavideNL 7y ago
What do you think about Startpage? And, which European search engine would you recommend?
- jakub_g 7y ago
  Startpage was acquired by an adtech company a few months ago https://www.ghacks.net/2019/11/16/startpage-search-owner-changes-raise-serious-questions/ https://www.ghacks.net/2019/11/16/startpage-search-owner-cha...
  - DavideNL 7y ago
    Yes i'm aware of that, but they were not 'acquired'... although it's definitely not a good development, i'd argue Startpage is still better (privacy wise) than for example Google.
    - krageon 7y ago
      > i'd argue Startpage is still better Why would you argue this? Adtech companies are one of the big sources of problems with privacy online.
- nunobrito 7y ago
  That one was verified and passed. While sharing coffee with a colleague years ago, he argued that something smelled odd about them. In is opinion was a front for the CIA or some other sponsored group that harvests data. Mind you that he provided no facts to support this claim. I tried to inform myself as much as possible about them, about their technology and people working there. Very scarce info exists. Try it by yourself, then let me know if you do manage to find more info about them. My only recommendation at the moment is qwant on the european side. Not because of privacy, but mostly to enable diversity of choice on the continent. In case of war or embargo, consequences here would be devastating on the tech-side.
m00dy 7y ago
What would be the practices for infrastructure review ?
- nunobrito 7y ago
  Usually involves talking with someone on the architectural level (Chief Architect, maybe CTO, VP or head of engineering if knowledgeable enough). Then involves onsite visits, questioning about where the data is hosted and factual verification of these claims. Depending on company size/challenge, you might do some tests on their claims from the outside over the period of 24 months. For example, registering an account and then verifying if that one-time email got leaked into some other service. Or, on cases of higher-criticality you will have monitoring of what data is coming out from the datacenter where the apps are running. Direct access to source code reviews is rare. Albeit depending on the level of cooperation it could be a possibibility.
gdm85 7y ago
Not sure if you are aware of this (I hope it's not on purpose), but your personal website mentioned on your 'About' description contains some questionable content (gambling?) in indonesian language. If I may ask, was it hacked, you lost the domain or you have put that content there on purpose to generate some revenue?
- nunobrito 7y ago
  Thanks. Seems my own domain got expired some months ago and then taken over by someone else. It was old, nothing updated in years. I removed from it from the profile box, thank you for letting me know. In the old days was just used for hosting a blog and some papers to share with others. I guess nowadays having a personal domain becomes increasingly less needed.
  - teekert 7y ago
    I'd argue it is increasingly needed, but it depends on your needs/goals ;)
  - gdm85 7y ago
    You're welcome; I figured it was something like that. Sorry "vultures" took it over, I would use something like GitHub/GitLab pages if you are looking for minimum maintenance.

cren 7y ago

I agree about Qwant being unsuitable for daily usage. I had to stop using it after entering a search query via the omnibar in Firefox would sometimes fail, apparently at random, and redirect me to Qwant's homepage instead of the search results.

nunobrito 7y ago
Wouldn't know. It works OK for me and I use it on daily basis across several devices.

seiko988 7y ago

I've had very good results with cliqz as far as European search engines go. https://beta.cliqz.com/ https://beta.cliqz.com/

Zhyl 7y ago
I find cliqz is very good at natural language queries, but doesn't have the index size a lot of the time. You either end up with 10 results that are exactly what you were searching for or nothing.

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