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The FDA Announces Two More Antacid Recalls Due to Cancer Risk
- mirimir 7y agoWired has started doing something strange. This URL doesn't load in my version of Firefox (old and heavily tweaked, I admit). And it crashes Midori. But this works fine: $ w3m -dump https://www.wired.com/story/the-fda-announces-two-more-antacid-recalls-due-to-cancer-risk/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-fda-announces-two-more-antac... Edit: OK, it works in my Firefox if I hit escape as soon as the page has loaded. So maybe there's some non-content module that loads more slowly, and triggers the problem. It could be a "turn off ad blocker" popup. Given that I block popups.
- dangus 7y agoI’m constantly amazed by comments like this one posted by highly technical people who manage to become unable to view a simple website by making the endeavor vastly over-complicated. Meanwhile, Grandma can read the article just fine when she double clicks on the blue e.
- mirimir 7y agoIt's more like blocking exploits, I'd say. Which your prototypically clueless Grandma is vulnerable to. So her machine is likely sending spam, or worse.
- envy2 7y agoLet's not confuse invasive ads and tracking cookies with "exploits." We can dislike both, but they are definitively not the same thing and one is clearly a bigger real threat than the other.
- kevin_thibedeau 7y agoA simple website is HTML and CSS. They work everywhere.
- mirimir 7y agoExactly. I have no problems with maybe 90% of sites. So I'm pretty confident that the rest are doing something odd, and likely not in my best interest. Some cool sites do require WebGL, which I block. But I can't imagine that's needed to display text and images. And I can even handle NYT's trippy images layout. I really have no clue what some sites are doing, however. It could be ad blocking, or the fact that I'm using a German VPN exit. Or maybe one or both of those plus blocking popups. Maybe referrer and/or fingerprint obfuscation. But it's easier to find workarounds for that ~10% than figure out just exactly how they're breaking basic HTML and CSS.
- seandougall 7y agoI'd like to find out more about what kind of setup Grandma has, in that case. I'm sitting here on an unmodified Safari installation, and the top of the window is obscured by a giant floating banner ad, while the bottom is obscured by a "subscribe" banner, which is _itself_ obscured by an oversized cookie notice. All of which leaves less than 80px of height to read the actual article content. Given the nice large font size, that means I can see three lines of text at any given moment. I didn't have the same issue that GP did, but it's definitely true that Wired has been adopting some awful web development practices for a while now. (Side note: My kids' grandma is a retired software developer. So I guess maybe it's just that the average grandma is more sophisticated than we are?)
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- mirimir 7y agoHuh. So maybe my problem is some mix of blocking ads and popups.
- krawakoliz 7y agoI’ve noticed certain sites, like government websites (my local healthcare.gov site), banking sites, insurance sites, only work if you disable tracking protection entirely in safari/firefox, and one of them (I think the healthcare site) only worked in chrome with no ad blocker. Folks, this is not a good sign.
- mirimir 7y agoYeah, it's an arms race.
- ta999999171 7y agoDon't tell us, make the call - and don't disable.
- Yetanfou 7y agoThose same technical people get to help grandma when that simple webpage has eaten the blue e. PEBBAS - Problem Exists Between Browser And Site/Server/Storage.
- ComputerGuru 7y agoIf it were a simple website it wouldn’t be broken. The over-complication here isn’t in the browser, it’s in the website.
- ta999999171 7y agoMost of the comments are to let others/the page owner know about bad or unexpected behavior - like not working with JS disabled, or not loading under edge conditions.
- jddj 7y agoLoads perfectly for me with js disabled via ublock origin, just a clean article.
- mirimir 7y agoWhat browser? Are you in the EU? You are blocking ads, I presume? Do you see any popups?
- buckminster 7y agoAndroid Firefox with uMatrix in the EU. All js disabled. No popups. Site works fine.
- jddj 7y agoThis is my setup, yeah. Except ublock origin rather than umatrix. Blocking ads, blocking js, EU. Firefox on Android. Additionally, my traffic and dns go through a (also EU hosted) DO droplet which is running pihole and dnscrypt.
- DataWorker 7y agoIf you add nitrite to ranitidine and heat it to 140 the levels of NDMA produced become carcinogenic. The person who made the discovery has a business built around consumer fear about contaminated pharmaceuticals.
- endothrowho333 7y agoYes, it looks pretty obvious that V@lisure is running a scare campaign to boost traffic towards their services. I wonder if there's another play at hand here, though. Did they get in a spat with suppliers? Are they trying to dump the price of ranitidine and nizatidine to buy up at markedly reduced value? Perhaps drive down demand from drugs with less margins towards higher ones? For those downvoting: this is business as usual in entrenched markets like pharmaceuticals -- especially since the FDA has no capacity to enforce anything. And on more thorough review, it looks like the hysteria has spread to many other countries as well -- how quaint. For those that really aren't aware of what good hysteria marketing looks like, please take a look at: https://www.valisure.com/blog/uncategorized/detection-of-ndma-in-raniditine/ https://www.valisure.com/blog/uncategorized/detection-of-ndm... Anyone that works in the world of marketing/PR can see it plainly. I don't feel like digging into what strings they had to pull in order to get this viral, but anyone possessed by curiosity should take a look at their team: https://www.valisure.com/about-us/ https://www.valisure.com/about-us/ After reading their profiles, two members should instantly pop out at you.
- deeceejhay 7y agoWhich two members' profiles? I didn't immediately see something.
- endothrowho333 7y agoCunningham and Gortler top out at MVPs -- if you base off their bios alone. Jirstrand is runner-up from all the impressive PR work she's done. Berkal: very weak maybe.
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- higginsc 7y agoThis whole thing seems overblown. The conditions required to induce NDMA accumulation are so far outside the normal bounds as to be farcical. Every drug I’ve ever seen advises you to keep it in a controlled temperature environment.
- JohnJamesRambo 7y agoI can see people keeping some Zantac in their car and that gets quite hot (140+) in the summer. I don’t think the penalty for not storing your medicine quite right should be ingesting a carcinogen.
- JshWright 7y agoI assume that's 140 Fahrenheit. The testing in question was conducted at 140 Celsius (which is quite a bit warmer...). I also think it's unlikely that those people who are keeping their meds in their car are also keeping their meds dissolved in a solution with high levels of nitrite.
- sansnomme 7y agoIf the temperature in your car is 140 Celsius, you have bigger problems than carcinogenic medicine.
- waste_monk 7y agoOr rather, you should stop driving your oven.
- deschutes 7y agoThe article is highly misleading. in the heating test, they heated the drug to 130 C, far beyond the temperature you'll find in a car. The gastric simulation with nitrites seems legit though.
- Tagbert 7y agoIt was 130C / 260F that is considerably higher than the inside of a car. Still, this suggests that ranitidine may not be stable and its breakdown products may be risky. If mixing it with nitrite produces NDMA under condition found in the stomach that is another risk case. I wonder if there is any breakdown over time just sitting on the shelf?
- 0x8BADF00D 7y agoIANAD, but antacids are the wrong approach to solving digestive dysfunction. IME, pancreatin and ox bile have eliminated the vast majority of my digestive issues. It’s debatable how effective antacids are anyway; for example, if you have an H. Pylori infection, antibiotics would be way more effective.
- bsder 7y ago> IME, pancreatin and ox bile have eliminated the vast majority of my digestive issues. That suggests that you have a gallbladder dysfunction. You might want to get an ultrasound for gallstones.
- gumby 7y agoI think physicians already understand the difference between H. Pylori-induced reflux and general GERD and have some experience on which treatments to recommend.
- HeadsUpHigh 7y agoYes of course if you have an h. pylori infection you want to deal with that. If you have bile duct obstruction or gallbladder stones then supplementing with the stuff you don't get due to the obstruction will be effective. If you have GERD, then you need a different treatment. Welcome to medicine 101 "How to treat basic digestion issues". There's no profound discovery to be made and no conspiracy theory behind any of the drugs involved. The different therapies are tailored to the different causes of digestion issues.
- bonkbart 7y agoTraveling in South Korea and went to pharmacy to get rantidine but it was told it was no longer available bc, thought I heard "it is now used for cancer" which seemed weird but guess it was language issue and it was "it can cause cancer".