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No. That's incorrect. This study published in Nature (2017) by the Ocean Cleanup researcher contradicts your statement entirely: https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms

No. That's incorrect. This study published in Nature (2017) by the Ocean Cleanup researcher contradicts your statement entirely: https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms15611 https://doi.org/10.1038/ncomms15611 > Our model is calibrated against measurements available in the literature. We estimate that between 1.15 and 2.41 million tonnes of plastic waste currently enters the ocean every year from rivers, with over 74% of emissions occurring between May and October. The top 20 polluting rivers, mostly located in Asia, account for 67% of the global total. The findings of this study provide baseline data for ocean plastic mass balance exercises, and assist in prioritizing future plastic debris monitoring and mitigation strategies. The likelihood of your trash ending up in the ocean depends entirely on where you live and how your trash gets processed. The only part of your statement that's somewhat correct is that rivers in developed countries carry less plastics to the oceans compared to developing countries. But "very little" is creating a false impression of the problem. Processing disposable plastic waste is a problem that can be avoided by... not using disposable plastics at all. This is first and foremost a moral choice: whether or not we want to put the health of the ecosystem of which we are part above our own personal short-term convenience. Thailand banned the use of disposable plastic bags this month: https://phys.org/news/2020-01-thai-retailers-single-use-plastic-bags.html https://phys.org/news/2020-01-thai-retailers-single-use-plas... You'd think that the Thai would oppose the ban. That's not what's happening if you gauge the sentiment on social media: https://www.boredpanda.com/unusual-ways-people-dealing-plastic-bag-ban-thailand/ https://www.boredpanda.com/unusual-ways-people-dealing-plast...

anamexis 7y ago
Without comparison to the amount of plastic coming from fishing nets and coastal cities, this didn't contradict anything in the parent post.
- CaptArmchair 7y ago
  His first assertion isn't based on any actual numbers or research either: > The first source of oceans plastic is fishing nets. Whereas the research shows: > We estimate that between 1.15 and 2.41 million tonnes of plastic waste currently enters the ocean every year from rivers So, that leaves only two conclusions if you connect both statements: the vast majority of what is disposed by rivers is fishnets, or there's millions of tonnes of fishnets in the oceans next to what's disposed by rivers.
  - anamexis 7y ago
    I think it's obviously the second conclusion being asserted. A cursory Google search produced some supporting sources, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/06/dumped-fishing-gear-is-biggest-plastic-polluter-in-ocean-finds-report https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/06/dumped-f...
Iv 7y ago
> You'd think that the Thai would oppose the ban Why? Anti-ecologism is not really a thing in most of the world. It is a far-right thing in a few countries like Brazil and US, but a lot of nations don't consider "fick the environment, I want to save one cent on packaging" to be edgy.
- ulzeraj 7y ago
  Well its good that you are doing the things you think its correct but please stop with the gratuitous generalization. We don't love pollution as much as you think here in Brazil.
  - Supermancho 7y ago
    > We don't love pollution as much as you think The national policies don't reflect this right now.
    - ulzeraj 7y ago
      National policies aren't people. If anything the current state of things prove that Brazilians have no say over their own government through elections wathever side you pick. Please don't be a bigot towards an entire country.
      - Supermancho 7y ago
        The country and nation are synonyms. You mean to say "don't be a bigot toward a people". Trying to fractionate the discussion between the innumerable number of differing outlooks when speaking about a nation, is not practical or constructive. A nation is a reflection of the people within it, even if it doesn't reflect exactly what an individual or set of the people believe. The enlightenment laid this out. Sort out your administration, you can proselytize about simpler topics, like environmentalism and expect to be understood clearly. Until then, Brazil as a nation, sucks in too many ways to mention.
  - Iv 7y ago
    I explicity pointed out that in these countries it is a far-right thing.
Iv 7y ago
Don't make bold statement, exactly like I used to do a few months ago about this very subject :-) I got pointed to more recent studies by an oceanographer. Here is a Nature (2018) paper stating that the amount of fishing nets were underestimated in previous studies https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w > Our model, calibrated with data from multi-vessel and aircraft surveys, predicted at least 79 (45–129) thousand tonnes of ocean plastic are floating inside an area of 1.6 million km2; a figure four to sixteen times higher than previously reported. We explain this difference through the use of more robust methods to quantify larger debris. Over three-quarters of the GPGP mass was carried by debris larger than 5 cm and at least 46% was comprised of fishing nets. Microplastics accounted for 8% of the total mass
- CaptArmchair 7y ago
  Wait, that's comparing very different things here. That's a study on the Great Plastic Garbage Patch in the Pacific ocean specifically. The study I referred to is about the yearly emission of plastics through rivers globally.
  - Iv 7y ago
    Yes, and the article we discuss about is about oceanic plastics.
acollins1331 7y ago
Nature is a bunk journal. I can't tell you how much crap I read in there that is complete garbage.
peteradio 7y ago
What here is disputing the above comment? Is OP from Asia or something?
twic 7y ago
> The likelihood of your trash ending up in the ocean depends entirely on where you live and how your trash gets processed. And spodek, to whom lv was replying, lives in the northeast USA, where plastic waste doesn't end up in rivers. > Processing disposable plastic waste is a problem that can be avoided by... not using disposable plastics at all. In the first world, it's a solved problem, so it's not a problem you need to avoid.
- CaptArmchair 7y ago
  Is it a solved problem? Did you know that developed countries export thousands of tonnes of plastic waste to developing countries? https://www.plasticpollutioncoalition.org/blog/2019/3/6/157000-shipping-containers-of-us-plastic-waste-exported-to-countries-with-poor-waste-management-in-2018 https://www.plasticpollutioncoalition.org/blog/2019/3/6/1570... > The U.S. Census Bureau recently published complete 2018 export data for shipments of plastic waste (officially called “waste, paring and scrap”) generated in the U.S. and sent to other countries. As shown in Figure 1, 78% (0.83 million metric tonnes) of the 2018 U.S. plastic waste exports were sent to countries with waste “mismanagement rates” greater than 5%. That means about 157,000 large 20-ft (TEU) shipping containers (429 per day) of U.S. plastic waste were sent in 2018 to countries that are now known to be overwhelmed with plastic waste and major sources of plastic pollution to the ocean. The actual amount of U.S. plastic waste that ends in countries with poor waste management may be even higher than 78% since countries like Canada and South Korea may reexport U.S. plastic waste. The data also indicates that the U.S. continued to export about as much plastic waste to countries with poor waste management as we recycle domestically [1]. Whereas: https://resource-recycling.com/plastics/2018/08/01/epa-u-s-plastics-recycling-rate-declines/ https://resource-recycling.com/plastics/2018/08/01/epa-u-s-p... > The EPA’s Facts and Figures Report states the U.S. in 2015 recycled 9.1 percent of the plastic generated, down from 9.5 percent during the previous year. Then there's this: The U.S. used to export waste to China. Until China decided to ban importing waste, leaving the U.S. waste disposal industries with a problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK20t11He14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK20t11He14 And finally I'll leave you with these: https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-plastic-pollution-oceans-recycling-export-waste-malaysia-vietnam-thailand-a8400761.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-plastic-polluti... https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/06/14/china-plastics-ban-malaysia-vietnam-poland/ https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/06/14/china-plastics-b... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/18/uk-recycling-industry-under-investigation-for-and-corruption https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/18/uk-recyc... https://www.plasticsforchange.org/blog/category/why-are-plastic-recycling-rate-so-low https://www.plasticsforchange.org/blog/category/why-are-plas...

anamexis 7y ago

Without comparison to the amount of plastic coming from fishing nets and coastal cities, this didn't contradict anything in the parent post.

CaptArmchair 7y ago
His first assertion isn't based on any actual numbers or research either: > The first source of oceans plastic is fishing nets. Whereas the research shows: > We estimate that between 1.15 and 2.41 million tonnes of plastic waste currently enters the ocean every year from rivers So, that leaves only two conclusions if you connect both statements: the vast majority of what is disposed by rivers is fishnets, or there's millions of tonnes of fishnets in the oceans next to what's disposed by rivers.
- anamexis 7y ago
  I think it's obviously the second conclusion being asserted. A cursory Google search produced some supporting sources, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/06/dumped-fishing-gear-is-biggest-plastic-polluter-in-ocean-finds-report https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/06/dumped-f...

Iv 7y ago

> You'd think that the Thai would oppose the ban Why? Anti-ecologism is not really a thing in most of the world. It is a far-right thing in a few countries like Brazil and US, but a lot of nations don't consider "fick the environment, I want to save one cent on packaging" to be edgy.

ulzeraj 7y ago
Well its good that you are doing the things you think its correct but please stop with the gratuitous generalization. We don't love pollution as much as you think here in Brazil.
- Supermancho 7y ago
  > We don't love pollution as much as you think The national policies don't reflect this right now.
  - ulzeraj 7y ago
    National policies aren't people. If anything the current state of things prove that Brazilians have no say over their own government through elections wathever side you pick. Please don't be a bigot towards an entire country.
    - Supermancho 7y ago
      The country and nation are synonyms. You mean to say "don't be a bigot toward a people". Trying to fractionate the discussion between the innumerable number of differing outlooks when speaking about a nation, is not practical or constructive. A nation is a reflection of the people within it, even if it doesn't reflect exactly what an individual or set of the people believe. The enlightenment laid this out. Sort out your administration, you can proselytize about simpler topics, like environmentalism and expect to be understood clearly. Until then, Brazil as a nation, sucks in too many ways to mention.
- Iv 7y ago
  I explicity pointed out that in these countries it is a far-right thing.

Iv 7y ago

Don't make bold statement, exactly like I used to do a few months ago about this very subject :-) I got pointed to more recent studies by an oceanographer. Here is a Nature (2018) paper stating that the amount of fishing nets were underestimated in previous studies https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22939-w > Our model, calibrated with data from multi-vessel and aircraft surveys, predicted at least 79 (45–129) thousand tonnes of ocean plastic are floating inside an area of 1.6 million km2; a figure four to sixteen times higher than previously reported. We explain this difference through the use of more robust methods to quantify larger debris. Over three-quarters of the GPGP mass was carried by debris larger than 5 cm and at least 46% was comprised of fishing nets. Microplastics accounted for 8% of the total mass

CaptArmchair 7y ago
Wait, that's comparing very different things here. That's a study on the Great Plastic Garbage Patch in the Pacific ocean specifically. The study I referred to is about the yearly emission of plastics through rivers globally.
- Iv 7y ago
  Yes, and the article we discuss about is about oceanic plastics.

acollins1331 7y ago

Nature is a bunk journal. I can't tell you how much crap I read in there that is complete garbage.

peteradio 7y ago

What here is disputing the above comment? Is OP from Asia or something?

twic 7y ago

> The likelihood of your trash ending up in the ocean depends entirely on where you live and how your trash gets processed. And spodek, to whom lv was replying, lives in the northeast USA, where plastic waste doesn't end up in rivers. > Processing disposable plastic waste is a problem that can be avoided by... not using disposable plastics at all. In the first world, it's a solved problem, so it's not a problem you need to avoid.

CaptArmchair 7y ago
Is it a solved problem? Did you know that developed countries export thousands of tonnes of plastic waste to developing countries? https://www.plasticpollutioncoalition.org/blog/2019/3/6/157000-shipping-containers-of-us-plastic-waste-exported-to-countries-with-poor-waste-management-in-2018 https://www.plasticpollutioncoalition.org/blog/2019/3/6/1570... > The U.S. Census Bureau recently published complete 2018 export data for shipments of plastic waste (officially called “waste, paring and scrap”) generated in the U.S. and sent to other countries. As shown in Figure 1, 78% (0.83 million metric tonnes) of the 2018 U.S. plastic waste exports were sent to countries with waste “mismanagement rates” greater than 5%. That means about 157,000 large 20-ft (TEU) shipping containers (429 per day) of U.S. plastic waste were sent in 2018 to countries that are now known to be overwhelmed with plastic waste and major sources of plastic pollution to the ocean. The actual amount of U.S. plastic waste that ends in countries with poor waste management may be even higher than 78% since countries like Canada and South Korea may reexport U.S. plastic waste. The data also indicates that the U.S. continued to export about as much plastic waste to countries with poor waste management as we recycle domestically [1]. Whereas: https://resource-recycling.com/plastics/2018/08/01/epa-u-s-plastics-recycling-rate-declines/ https://resource-recycling.com/plastics/2018/08/01/epa-u-s-p... > The EPA’s Facts and Figures Report states the U.S. in 2015 recycled 9.1 percent of the plastic generated, down from 9.5 percent during the previous year. Then there's this: The U.S. used to export waste to China. Until China decided to ban importing waste, leaving the U.S. waste disposal industries with a problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK20t11He14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK20t11He14 And finally I'll leave you with these: https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-plastic-pollution-oceans-recycling-export-waste-malaysia-vietnam-thailand-a8400761.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-plastic-polluti... https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/06/14/china-plastics-ban-malaysia-vietnam-poland/ https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/06/14/china-plastics-b... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/18/uk-recycling-industry-under-investigation-for-and-corruption https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/18/uk-recyc... https://www.plasticsforchange.org/blog/category/why-are-plastic-recycling-rate-so-low https://www.plasticsforchange.org/blog/category/why-are-plas...