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Its funny to me how they try to apply christian values like avoiding vaguely sexual sounding words while also making significant amounts of money off late night

by tmpz22 7y ago

Its funny to me how they try to apply christian values like avoiding vaguely sexual sounding words while also making significant amounts of money off late night debauchery, picking people up from clubs at 3am.

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vxxzy 7y ago
How does this directly relate to “Christian” values? Could “Islamic” values be applied? Afterall, the Prophet Mohammed made his opposition to crude language clear in the Hadith. Follow up: Also appears there are some misgiving regarding crude language within the Hindu religion as well. [0] [0]: https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=4005 https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?...
- klipt 7y ago
  Islam is almost a branch off Christianity considering Muhammad knew many Christians and was likely inspired by them. Muslims also view Jesus as a holy person.
  - mirimir 7y ago
    The more interesting question is what he was, initially. As far as I can tell, he was a member of an Abrahamic sect that has since died out. But yes, one that accepted Christ as a prophet.
    - orthoxerox 7y ago
      Islam accepts Christ as a prophet. A human prophet, though, not a part of God.
      - kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
        Many Christian sects have the same belief.
        mirimir 7y ago
        Really? As in not the son of God? Which?
        jki275 7y ago
        You can't really call a sect "Christian" if they deny the definition of Christianity.
- deleted 7y ago
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  - FlowNote 7y ago
    Nope, this is pure dishonesty manifest. Islam throws gays off of buildings and beheads women. Christian city made you sad one time because your Dad made you go to Church. Your hopes to prevent analysis of moral arbitrage is nothing more than cheerleader cherry-picking.
    - dang 7y ago
      We've banned this account for violating the site guidelines. You can't do flamewar like this here, let alone religious flamewar. If you don't want to be banned on HN, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - FlowNote 7y ago
        No wait, misread that. My bad.
- qwerty456127 7y ago
  Ok, let's call that puritan values of abrahamic religions.
  - rhizome 7y ago
    And I bet someone named Shooter[1] has no problems signing up. 1. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/extreme-boys-names https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/extreme-boys-names
    - finnthehuman 7y ago
      Why wouldn't they? "Shooter" is a word that's acceptable to use in almost any company, even though the verb at it's root part of some abhorrent acts. "Fuck" is a distasteful word for an act with near-universal approval.
      - qwerty456127 7y ago
        > "Fuck" is a distasteful word for an act with near-universal approval. Near-universal approval and near-universal distaste. A curious phenomenon, isn't it?
        brabel 7y ago
        Everyone shits, but "shit" is still considered a bad word because of its material properties. Fuck, on the other hand, is something everyone loves doing, except when done by force... I guess the reason it's still seen as a bad word rather than a "love word" (besides old religious believes that sex is actually intrinsically bad, which some people might still hold) is that "fuck" is unconsciously associated with forced sex (rape, to be clear) while consensual sex is associated with other words/phrases like "make love", "intercourse" etc. which do not have the same bad connotation.
        cdirkx 7y ago
        I think the "old religious beliefs" have more to do with it than any connotation of forced sex (at least I have never recognized this in the way people use the word). "making love" is something partners do as a healthy and (re)productive part of their relationship, "fucking" is what 'animals' do, purely done for pleasure. It is a bad word for the same reason gluttony, excessive alcohol and drugs are a sin. A society where everyone mindlessly chases dopamine from carnal pleasures is less productive, especially when this leads to unrest and violence (and I guess that's where forced sex comes into play).
copperx 7y ago
Polite language is secular. Where do you get this religious connotation from?
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  Forbidding a name like Cummings because it is not "polite" is neither secular or logical. Also in non-Catholic Christian countries sex and nudity are not a big deal (example: Germany), so you are partially right: not a Christian connotation, just particular forms of it.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    > Also in non-Catholic Christian countries sex and nudity are not a big deal (example: Germany) Example: the United States. Oh wait, that one goes the other way.
  - koyote 7y ago
    It's ironic that you specifically mention Germany. Although you are correct about nudity not being a big deal there, they actually have specific laws about the names that newborn children are allowed to be given.
    - AdrianB1 7y ago
      That is a different matter: state control over citizens. We have the same laws, inspired from Germany (we are geographically close).
  - Thorrez 7y ago
    > Forbidding a name like Cummings because it is not "polite" is neither secular or logical. How do you know it's not secular? Are you sure the people who made the decision at Lyft were religious, or did it for religious reasons?
  - def_true_false 7y ago
    Half the Christians in Germany are Catholics.
chrisseaton 7y ago
> while also making significant amounts of money off late night debauchery, picking people up from clubs at 3am I'm not Christian but I don't think most Christians consider a night out a club to be debauchery.
- itronitron 7y ago
  that's sort of the point
dang 7y ago
Jumping straight into religious flamewar like this was a huge violation of the HN guidelines and did serious damage. Would you please review them and not do this again on this site? We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22022195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22022195 and marked it off-topic.

by tmpz22 7y ago

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vxxzy 7y ago

How does this directly relate to “Christian” values? Could “Islamic” values be applied? Afterall, the Prophet Mohammed made his opposition to crude language clear in the Hadith. Follow up: Also appears there are some misgiving regarding crude language within the Hindu religion as well. [0] [0]: https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=4005 https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?...

klipt 7y ago
Islam is almost a branch off Christianity considering Muhammad knew many Christians and was likely inspired by them. Muslims also view Jesus as a holy person.
- mirimir 7y ago
  The more interesting question is what he was, initially. As far as I can tell, he was a member of an Abrahamic sect that has since died out. But yes, one that accepted Christ as a prophet.
  - orthoxerox 7y ago
    Islam accepts Christ as a prophet. A human prophet, though, not a part of God.
    - kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
      Many Christian sects have the same belief.
      - mirimir 7y ago
        Really? As in not the son of God? Which?
      - jki275 7y ago
        You can't really call a sect "Christian" if they deny the definition of Christianity.
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- FlowNote 7y ago
  Nope, this is pure dishonesty manifest. Islam throws gays off of buildings and beheads women. Christian city made you sad one time because your Dad made you go to Church. Your hopes to prevent analysis of moral arbitrage is nothing more than cheerleader cherry-picking.
  - dang 7y ago
    We've banned this account for violating the site guidelines. You can't do flamewar like this here, let alone religious flamewar. If you don't want to be banned on HN, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - FlowNote 7y ago
      No wait, misread that. My bad.
qwerty456127 7y ago
Ok, let's call that puritan values of abrahamic religions.
- rhizome 7y ago
  And I bet someone named Shooter[1] has no problems signing up. 1. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/extreme-boys-names https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/extreme-boys-names
  - finnthehuman 7y ago
    Why wouldn't they? "Shooter" is a word that's acceptable to use in almost any company, even though the verb at it's root part of some abhorrent acts. "Fuck" is a distasteful word for an act with near-universal approval.
    - qwerty456127 7y ago
      > "Fuck" is a distasteful word for an act with near-universal approval. Near-universal approval and near-universal distaste. A curious phenomenon, isn't it?
      - brabel 7y ago
        Everyone shits, but "shit" is still considered a bad word because of its material properties. Fuck, on the other hand, is something everyone loves doing, except when done by force... I guess the reason it's still seen as a bad word rather than a "love word" (besides old religious believes that sex is actually intrinsically bad, which some people might still hold) is that "fuck" is unconsciously associated with forced sex (rape, to be clear) while consensual sex is associated with other words/phrases like "make love", "intercourse" etc. which do not have the same bad connotation.
        cdirkx 7y ago
        I think the "old religious beliefs" have more to do with it than any connotation of forced sex (at least I have never recognized this in the way people use the word). "making love" is something partners do as a healthy and (re)productive part of their relationship, "fucking" is what 'animals' do, purely done for pleasure. It is a bad word for the same reason gluttony, excessive alcohol and drugs are a sin. A society where everyone mindlessly chases dopamine from carnal pleasures is less productive, especially when this leads to unrest and violence (and I guess that's where forced sex comes into play).

copperx 7y ago

Polite language is secular. Where do you get this religious connotation from?

AdrianB1 7y ago
Forbidding a name like Cummings because it is not "polite" is neither secular or logical. Also in non-Catholic Christian countries sex and nudity are not a big deal (example: Germany), so you are partially right: not a Christian connotation, just particular forms of it.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > Also in non-Catholic Christian countries sex and nudity are not a big deal (example: Germany) Example: the United States. Oh wait, that one goes the other way.
- koyote 7y ago
  It's ironic that you specifically mention Germany. Although you are correct about nudity not being a big deal there, they actually have specific laws about the names that newborn children are allowed to be given.
  - AdrianB1 7y ago
    That is a different matter: state control over citizens. We have the same laws, inspired from Germany (we are geographically close).
- Thorrez 7y ago
  > Forbidding a name like Cummings because it is not "polite" is neither secular or logical. How do you know it's not secular? Are you sure the people who made the decision at Lyft were religious, or did it for religious reasons?
- def_true_false 7y ago
  Half the Christians in Germany are Catholics.

chrisseaton 7y ago

> while also making significant amounts of money off late night debauchery, picking people up from clubs at 3am I'm not Christian but I don't think most Christians consider a night out a club to be debauchery.

itronitron 7y ago
that's sort of the point

dang 7y ago

Jumping straight into religious flamewar like this was a huge violation of the HN guidelines and did serious damage. Would you please review them and not do this again on this site? We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22022195 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22022195 and marked it off-topic.