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"Firefox replaces annoying notification request pop-ups with a more delightful experience, by default for all users. The pop-ups no longer interrupt your browsi
by Twirrim 7y ago
"Firefox replaces annoying notification request pop-ups with a more delightful experience, by default for all users. The pop-ups no longer interrupt your browsing, in its place, a speech bubble will appear in the address bar when you interact with the site."
That should pretty much kill off a lot of the notification request crap, especially if Chrome follows suit. I can envision the conversion rate massively falling off when it's no longer something right in your face.
- hedora 7y agoSlack has started disabling unrelated features if you disallow notifications. For instance, you can’t add channels to the “ignore @here” list if notifications are off. I’m sure this’ll get worse over time. FF needs a “disable notifications, but lie to the website and say they’re enabled” button.
- Nightshaxx 7y agoI feel like a good extension to make would be a lying extension. Make it able to lie to a site about any API and have set configurations to deal with specific types of behavior.
- timlyo 7y agoMaybe even one that can randomise some settings to throw off fingerprinting.
- daxelrod 7y agoI've seen sites that refuse to show you their content at all until you've enabled notifications. I like this lying idea.
- zamalek 7y agoIt should always lie. Consistently rejecting notifications is yet another bit for fingerprinting a user (not just a device).
- marcosdumay 7y agoI don't understand why browsers would ever not lie about this.
- currysausage 7y agoMaybe because of the privacy implications of web workers keeping connections/checking for new notifications in the background?
- Paul-ish 7y agoIt may require bandwidth and CPU to check for notifications.
- twic 7y agoA non-malicious website could activate some alternative UI for giving you news if you disable notifications.
- rtpg 7y ago"Why are my notifications for Slack not working?"
- OskarS 7y ago"Because you've declined to get notifications for Slack" This does not seem like a reasonable complaint to me.
- ViViDboarder 7y agoBut the application would have no way of knowing that to display this message to the user if the browser lies about it.
- ric2b 7y ago"Check if you have notifications enabled for Slack on your browser's settings"
- radicalriddler 7y agoI feel like if a specific browser, ie. Firefox went down this path, it wouldn't take long until websites stopped supporting that browser. It'd take browser wide action to take on big players such as Slack imo.
- dannyw 7y agoNo, no company is going to choose to see a -5% dip in overall engagement just because they want to fight a web browser.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 7y agoThis is a common error people make. It’s transferring their emotions to inform what some (often companies or countries) should do. In the specific example, it makes no sense for any single website to forgo, say, 5% of revenue to “teach browsers a lesson”, especially since any change would benefit them accrue mostly with their competitors. See also: “Google/FB/... should leave the EU to protest these privacy laws...”
- ric2b 7y agoUnless a huge number of websites cooperate, they will all think it's useless for them individually to "fight the power".
- bambax 7y agoI never accept any notification from anywhere on desktop or mobile (except some calls) and am all the happier. Don't let others control your agenda.
- Caspy7 7y agoIn Firefox Notification prompts can be disabled entirely in settings. In preferences type 'notifications', click the Settings button and check the box to "Block new requests asking to allow notifications"
- ravedave5 7y agoHow sad is the current age that this is the feature I'm most excited about in like the last 6 months of browser changes.
- ksec 7y agoI still remember Chrome and Firefox Engineers saying it would provide much better experience to user. That was the era when majority of public opinion on Google was Do no Evil. And Google at the time can do no wrong.
- Normal_gaussian 7y agoI've built quite a few web apps that make decent use of notifications. But then the users explixitly wanted to know the things being notified.
- toxican 7y agoIt is pretty great for browser-based chat and email. Don't think I've ever allowed it for anything else.
- bagacrap 7y agoalmost simultaneous announcement from Chrome: https://blog.chromium.org/2020/01/introducing-quieter-permission-ui-for.html?m=1 https://blog.chromium.org/2020/01/introducing-quieter-permis...
- saagarjha 7y agoIt may not; you'll just get fake notification prompts from the page that will morph intro instructions on how to enable notifications when you click "accept".
- neurostimulant 7y agoThis already happening for quite some time now. Many websites uses OneSignal and their fake prompt looks similar with Chrome's notification prompt (at least to ordinary users): https://documentation.onesignal.com/docs/permission-requests#section-slide-prompt https://documentation.onesignal.com/docs/permission-requests...
- int_19h 7y agoFrom this link: "OneSignal Prompts are a 'soft request', meaning that they are not invoking the 'hard request' of the browser's Native Permission Prompt. This is important because if a user denies the native prompt, the developer is unable to prompt the user again, unless the user goes through a multi-step process to re-enable these permissions. On the other hand, if a user dismisses a Soft Prompt, the app or website can still present them the option later on." Speaking for myself, showing such prompts repeatedly is a very good way to ensure that I'll never visit your website ever again. No, I don't care about your mobile app, anymore so than I did two days ago.
- tor291674 7y agoBut it works on other people, which is why they bothered to create that in the first place.
- gdeglin 7y agoHi. I'm one of the founders of OneSignal. To provide some context on this, we provide clients with 4 built-in prompting options and we do our best to encourage them to use the one that is best for their user experience. We definitely want to discourage people from asking for notification permission in an obtrusive way. It's not good for anyone when that happens. We wrote a blog post with some recommendations here: https://onesignal.com/blog/web-push-permission-prompting-changes/ https://onesignal.com/blog/web-push-permission-prompting-cha...