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You could always plug them into an AMD based system.
by Newtonip 7y ago
You could always plug them into an AMD based system.
- dijit 7y agoDoes optane work with AMD? I was under the impression that it did not. It’s not just another type of SSD.
- new_realist 7y agoNVMe is NVMe. Perhaps you’re thinking of Optane in a DIMM form factor?
- dijit 7y agohttps://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-optane-really-only-work-on-intel-and-not-on-amd.3027390/ https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/does-optane-really-o... Seems like it only works with Intel 7th gen and later. Although there's a post on the LTT forums[0] exclaiming that Wendell managed to get it working. (although he also got Thunderbolt working before on AMD) [0]: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/961841-we-ran-intel-optane-on-an-amd-cpu/ https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/961841-we-ran-intel-opt...
- XMPPwocky 7y agoIntel's crappy caching software is locked to only work with certain CPUs, and/or requires certain things from the fake RAID controller. NVMe Optane as a product just shows up as a small, fast drive. StoreMI works with it, even faster than Intel's stuff in some cases.
- dijit 7y agoThat's actually very helpful clarification; thank you. :)
- yskchu 7y agoIntel marketing is confusing; Optane is several things There's Optane memory, which is the one the link is referring to, it needs Intel CPUs Then there's Optane SSDs, which works with AMD fine Source: I'm using them on EPYC servers Optane memory is not a traditional SSD, it's more of a disk cache, matched to the Intel CPU. While the rest of the Optane family are standard SSDs
- walrus01 7y agoThis is what happens when the marketing department gives the same name to two things which may be broadly in a general product category, but are technically very different. Have seen it with many categories of hardware.
- Dylan16807 7y agoIt's actually worse. If you follow Intel's marketing "Optane Memory" refers to the SSDs. The Optane DIMMs are called "Optane DC Persistent Memory".
- fgonzag 7y agoWait, why is it worse? It perfectly describes what it is: An Optane (3DXpoint) Persistent Memory Module. Guess the DC stands for DataCenter?
- Dylan16807 7y agoThat part isn't terrible, even though it is really unwieldy. The big problem is using "Optane Memory" as the branding for the kind that isn't a memory module. The natural things to call them are "Optane drives" and "Optane memory". Don't criss-cross that!
- Tempest1981 7y agoLike the Ford Mustang Mach E. Thanks marketing.
- jessant 7y agoIt works as storage just like a traditional SSD. It does not work as a caching solution for memory.
- paulmd 7y agoIt actually is just another type of SSD. It's just a NVMe drive. It's a little confusing because Intel markets "Optane" as so many different things. "Optane" as marketed to the consumer is a combination of an Optane NVMe drive and motherboard-level support for disk caching. However, if you choose not to use the caching software, it just turns into a SSD. The only catch is that most optane drives are pretty small. The consumer ones intended for cache are about 16GB. However, you can buy bigger ones up to about 120GB in M.2 format, and PCIe or U.2 based ones up to 1.5 TB aimed at the prosumer market. AMD actually does really well with these because they have an extra x4 PCIe lanes (16+4 + 4 more for chipset) so you can run a graphics card at x16 speed and still have 4 more CPU-direct lanes for an Optane drive. Then on servers you have Optane DIMMs which sorta-not-really replace RAM for massive in-memory servers.
- qes 7y agoYep. I have an Optane PCIe 3.0 4x add in card - 280GB drive - in an AMD TRX40 rig. I don't imagine PCIe 4.0 will make much difference as a single drive can't make use of the extra bandwidth anyway - but I'm curious to see if there are improvements to the 3D XPoint memory. Kinda bummed I literally just bought mine.
- hart_russell 7y agoRead the article. They suggest that’s what they’re doing.
- justinjlynn 7y agoor an OpenPOWER system. The POWER9 chips are all 4.0 capable. So, basically everyone - on server and workstation - but Intel have a 4.0 capable chipset... well, isn't that amusing.
- jandrese 7y agoI miss the days when there were third party chipset vendors. And they even competed on interconnect bandwidth and expansion port lines.
- justinjlynn 7y agoYeah, technically though it's more than a little difficult routing the front-side bus outside the silicon these days...
- my123 7y agoZen 2 (except APUs) platforms went back to a separate northbridge with the memory controller not on the same piece of silicon. With the speed of current SMP interconnects, making the chipset completely off-package again is possible, but I don't see the interest.
- justinjlynn 7y agoThat's true. Perhaps I should've specified off-socket.
- walrus01 7y agoopenPOWER systems, last I checked, cost something like $2800 for a bare kit with a single socket CPU and ATX size motherboard, that will be dramatically outperformed by a $109 motherboard and a $389 Ryzen. And significantly more for fully assembled ready to boot 2U / 4U size server chassis with motherboards.
- frou_dh 7y agoThat playing-to-the-crowd comment was obscenely predictable.