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For those specifically worried about the 500 million animals dead in the wildfire, note that we kill 3 billion land animals and fish a DAY for meat (https://sen
by smohnot 7y ago
For those specifically worried about the 500 million animals dead in the wildfire, note that we kill 3 billion land animals and fish a DAY for meat (https://sentientmedia.org/how-many-animals-are-killed-for-food-every-day/ https://sentientmedia.org/how-many-animals-are-killed-for-fo...). Of course there are many many other terrible things about this wildfire (including the fact that we may have endangered some species)
- skummetmaelk 7y agoSize matters. If sardines count into the 3 billion it doesn't really say much. Similarly if insects count in the 500 million estimate. It would be more appropriate to report the loss of biomass or at least the average animal size.
- chongli 7y ago.
- pvaldes 7y ago> If our goal is to reduce the number of animal lives taken for meat The problem is that this shouldn't be our goal. Is neither a realistic goal, neither would be necessarily a desired outcome. Big animals have parasites also. You kill a cow and also millions of simbionts in the cow's gut but nobody cares. You make a modern soy field and kill everything. All green and all hairy and all winged things. All is killed except soy. Is the typical new age religious nonsense that ends in a dead end. Is not possible to do anything in this planet without stepping over some creature. Is full of life and life fills the gaps all the time. Is the quality and diversity what counts, not the amount of new rats that we can fit in the same space. Some species evolved to fix that and other not. Some are keys, sustainers or big modificators of the ecosystem, and other not.
- Finnucane 7y agoBut it takes more feed to make one pound of beef than one pound of chicken.
- ratboy666 7y agoMaybe not true: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK232323/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK232323/
- nradov 7y agoWe also kill billions of animals a day for plants. Harvesting crops kills a lot of insects, small mammals, and reptiles. Most of them are so small that farmers never even notice, but those animals are dead all the same. So if you want to criticize meat eating then you'll have to find a better reason than just number of animal deaths.
- crazygringo 7y agoSo... that's half an animal per person per day? That seems like... a lot. Until you look at the article, which suggests that the high number is largely due to huge numbers of tiny krill and anchovies caught in fishing nets. So while perhaps technically accurate... it's not like half a pig or half a chicken is being killed per person per day.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y agoThere's a huge difference between killing animals specifically bred to be killed and killing wild animals.
- lonelappde 7y agoWhat difference? Which is worse? And when a predator eats a prey, is that bred to be killed or wild?
- carapace 7y agoI'm not sure of the point you're trying to make, but FWIW consider this: "Earth's LAND MAMMALS By Weight" https://xkcd.com/1338/ https://xkcd.com/1338/ > [[A graph in which one square equals 1,000,000 tons. Dark grey squares represent humans, light gray represent our pets and livestock, and green squares represent wild animals. The squares are arranged in a roughly round shape, with clusters for each type of animal. Animals represented: Humans, cattle, pigs, goats (39 squares), sheep, horses (29 squares), elephants (1 square). There are other small, unlabeled clusters also. It is clear that humans and our pets & livestock outweigh wild animals by at least a factor of 10. ]] {{Title text: Bacteria still outweigh us thousands to one--and that's not even counting the several pounds of them in your body.}}