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>as long as you can prove who you are How can you prove who you are without an ID? Biometrics? Is logging in to Facebook enough?

Scoundreller 7y ago
There’s probably formalized policies everywhere on that. Likely they can lookup your passport photos. Since denying entry to a citizen can be a constitutional violation in many places, they’ll have some criteria for the documentation actually required. Sending you back to the embassy will just move the problem elsewhere. Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen (e.g. you were born elsewhere but acquired a citizenship because you were born to a citizen without registering it in any way).
- buckminster 7y ago
  > Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen Perhaps because you successfully applied for British citizenship in the UK forty years ago but the government deleted all the records! Several instances of this came to light in the Windrush scandal a couple of years ago. The moral: if your citizenship is even slightly interesting you need to keep your passport current.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    I’m worried about the opposite situation... Getting denied boarding because I am a citizen. By lineage, I’m a citizen of an EU country. And the EU is launching a “not a visa but sounds a lot like a visa” travel authorization program for visa exempt passengers. Q1 will probably be: are you a citizen of any of these EU countries? Legally, I’ll be obligated to trace all this lineage back, through countries that no longer exist and get a lot of paperwork. Presumably I can’t renounce said citizenship until I prove that I have it first...
    - icebraining 7y ago
      Are you really automatically a citizen? In the countries I'm familiar with, lineage might grant you the right to citizenship, but you still have to request it.
      - Scoundreller 7y ago
        Based on my interpretation, yes, automatic. The lineage is direct: both parents are citizen’s of that country’s successor. But maybe it’s more discretionary in reality. There’s always people willing to give you a hard time even if you’re in the right. At least in Canada I know how to waste a lot of their time in return.
    - samat 7y ago
      What you are describing sounds like a right for citizenship but not actual citizenship.
      - Scoundreller 7y ago
        Naw, the law says you acquire citizenship by being born to that country’s citizens. It doesn’t say “can acquire”, just “acquires”. Not unlike an American or Canadian born abroad to natural-born Americans or Canadians.

Scoundreller 7y ago

There’s probably formalized policies everywhere on that. Likely they can lookup your passport photos. Since denying entry to a citizen can be a constitutional violation in many places, they’ll have some criteria for the documentation actually required. Sending you back to the embassy will just move the problem elsewhere. Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen (e.g. you were born elsewhere but acquired a citizenship because you were born to a citizen without registering it in any way).

buckminster 7y ago
> Things get dicier when there’s no records of you being a citizen Perhaps because you successfully applied for British citizenship in the UK forty years ago but the government deleted all the records! Several instances of this came to light in the Windrush scandal a couple of years ago. The moral: if your citizenship is even slightly interesting you need to keep your passport current.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  I’m worried about the opposite situation... Getting denied boarding because I am a citizen. By lineage, I’m a citizen of an EU country. And the EU is launching a “not a visa but sounds a lot like a visa” travel authorization program for visa exempt passengers. Q1 will probably be: are you a citizen of any of these EU countries? Legally, I’ll be obligated to trace all this lineage back, through countries that no longer exist and get a lot of paperwork. Presumably I can’t renounce said citizenship until I prove that I have it first...
  - icebraining 7y ago
    Are you really automatically a citizen? In the countries I'm familiar with, lineage might grant you the right to citizenship, but you still have to request it.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      Based on my interpretation, yes, automatic. The lineage is direct: both parents are citizen’s of that country’s successor. But maybe it’s more discretionary in reality. There’s always people willing to give you a hard time even if you’re in the right. At least in Canada I know how to waste a lot of their time in return.
  - samat 7y ago
    What you are describing sounds like a right for citizenship but not actual citizenship.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      Naw, the law says you acquire citizenship by being born to that country’s citizens. It doesn’t say “can acquire”, just “acquires”. Not unlike an American or Canadian born abroad to natural-born Americans or Canadians.