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I haven't followed the case closely, are they really just holding her because she won't testify? Is she legally compelled to? What's the other side here? It's h

I haven't followed the case closely, are they really just holding her because she won't testify? Is she legally compelled to? What's the other side here? It's hard to believe that the US government is this blatantly tyrannical.

bsenftner 7y ago
> It's hard to believe that the US government is this blatantly tyrannical. You are not paying attention. This is normal for the US gov.
- josho 7y ago
  Whoever is downvoting the parent would you share why you feel they are wrong? One example of US tyranny is that it has the highest incarceration rate in the world (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-prison-population-rates-in-the-world.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-prison-populatio...). Other countries with high incarceration rates are developing countries, often with struggling democracies. Just one of many examples I can think of.
  - SamReidHughes 7y ago
    That rate is because we have a high crime rate, combined with functioning law enforcement. The true tyranny is if you let crime go unchecked.
    - majewsky 7y ago
      A "high crime rate combined with functioning law enforcement" is a contradiction in itself.
      - SamReidHughes 7y ago
        No it isn't. How do you arrest people before they commit crimes?
        majewsky 7y ago
        Law enforcement is much more than arresting people after the crime has already happened.
    - abdullahkhalids 7y ago
      > The true tyranny is if you let crime go unchecked. First of all, you contradict accepted legal principles, which demands that a false negative is better than a false positive. The more the number of people in prison, more the chances that there are innocent people in there. > That rate is because we have a high crime rate, combined with functioning law enforcement. Second, the state's goal is to reduce crime. Catching criminals is one of the many ways to do so, and punishing criminals after catching them is only one of the things the state can do. The state can alternatively spend money on reducing the root causes of crime (like poverty), and it can spend money on rehabilitation instead of punishment. These are among the wide variety of strategies a modern state can pursue to reduce crime.
- StavrosK 7y ago
  I have, it just appears that even my very low opinion was too high.
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
Government has all sorts of feedback loops that affect how the individual decision makers make their individually unimportant decisions and once things start moving in the "we're really gonna screw this person" direction it's very hard and incredibly rare for it to change course even if no individual involved likes the course they're on. The incentives are simply not favorable to reversing course.
- StavrosK 7y ago
  It's also supposed to have failsafes that prevent this sort of thing from happening.

bsenftner 7y ago

> It's hard to believe that the US government is this blatantly tyrannical. You are not paying attention. This is normal for the US gov.

josho 7y ago
Whoever is downvoting the parent would you share why you feel they are wrong? One example of US tyranny is that it has the highest incarceration rate in the world (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-prison-population-rates-in-the-world.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-prison-populatio...). Other countries with high incarceration rates are developing countries, often with struggling democracies. Just one of many examples I can think of.
- SamReidHughes 7y ago
  That rate is because we have a high crime rate, combined with functioning law enforcement. The true tyranny is if you let crime go unchecked.
  - majewsky 7y ago
    A "high crime rate combined with functioning law enforcement" is a contradiction in itself.
    - SamReidHughes 7y ago
      No it isn't. How do you arrest people before they commit crimes?
      - majewsky 7y ago
        Law enforcement is much more than arresting people after the crime has already happened.
  - abdullahkhalids 7y ago
    > The true tyranny is if you let crime go unchecked. First of all, you contradict accepted legal principles, which demands that a false negative is better than a false positive. The more the number of people in prison, more the chances that there are innocent people in there. > That rate is because we have a high crime rate, combined with functioning law enforcement. Second, the state's goal is to reduce crime. Catching criminals is one of the many ways to do so, and punishing criminals after catching them is only one of the things the state can do. The state can alternatively spend money on reducing the root causes of crime (like poverty), and it can spend money on rehabilitation instead of punishment. These are among the wide variety of strategies a modern state can pursue to reduce crime.
StavrosK 7y ago
I have, it just appears that even my very low opinion was too high.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

Government has all sorts of feedback loops that affect how the individual decision makers make their individually unimportant decisions and once things start moving in the "we're really gonna screw this person" direction it's very hard and incredibly rare for it to change course even if no individual involved likes the course they're on. The incentives are simply not favorable to reversing course.

StavrosK 7y ago
It's also supposed to have failsafes that prevent this sort of thing from happening.