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> There's a lot of shops that are pure django, drupal, laravel, wordpress experts, who would never be able to put something together from scratch, but can proba
by ScottFree 7y ago
> There's a lot of shops that are pure django, drupal, laravel, wordpress experts, who would never be able to put something together from scratch, but can probably glue you a customized website in not a lot of time from relatively well tested components.
Nobody denies that these frameworks allow people who would never be able to program in C/C++ to create websites. Nobody denies that it takes more of these quasi-programmers to create and maintain websites than it would take more knowledgeable programmers writing in more efficient languages. So, here's the killer question: At which point do these frameworks and the large number of quasi-programmers required to maintain them cost more than just hiring somebody who can create a native app in C/C++?
- taurath 7y agoHire a C/C++ programmer and see how that goes for you. If what you’re saying is true they can revolutionize the industry and make a billion dollars with their superior code.
- 0xEFF 7y agoI’ve seen it happen. The code is faster, but it doesn’t matter because users don’t care. It also took two years to rewrite, doesn’t have the features of the original, and all of the operational experience had to be relearned by the engineering and ops teams. So, millions of dollars, years of time for no actual benefit, and now the business is left with an app they can’t hire talent to maintain because it’s so custom.
- jpmoral 7y ago'Quasi-programmer'? I don't think elitism helps your point.
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- Daishiman 7y agoThe C/C++ engineers are going to spend their time dealing with memory management issues that have no relevance to the final delivery of product features. And if industry experience says somethings, those engineers who spent that time honing their skills at wrangling the C++ stdlib will have _appalingly_ bad design and UI skills, which are very relevant for today's web and are a much more important driver of revenue.