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Ask HN: Have you found success and a good work life balance?

46 points by xupybd 7y ago

It seems that people need to sacrifice life outside of work to make it in the software industry. Has anyone made it and maintained a healthy work life balance?

fastbeef 7y ago
I don’t know if I’ve “made it”, but two years ago I started a small consultancy which increased my per-hour billing to almost triple compared to when I was an employee doing the same thing. I use this extra cash flow to work 25-30 hour weeks. Recently, I started to offer this setup “as a platform” to previous co-workers taking a 20% cut of their billing. If I get to five I can stop working all together.
- pacomerh 7y ago
  Do you specialize in an area?, or what kind of consultancy are you running?
  - fastbeef 7y ago
    Where I’m located (northern EU) consultant is a fancy word for contractor. However, due to the shortage of people I can charge 95€/hour where the fully loaded cost for an employee is around 30-40€/hour. We’re all run-of-the-mill .Net developers, but we all have a niece (mine is finance and pension funds).
    - AlchemistCamp 7y ago
      > but we all have a niece (mine is finance and pension funds) I'm not familiar with that phrase. What language is spoken in your northern EU country?
      - desert_boi 7y ago
        I believe they meant niche.
        AlchemistCamp 7y ago
        Ah! That makes much more sense.
        fastbeef 7y ago
        Correct, curse you autocorrect!
    - vidanay 7y ago
      Are consultants/contractors going to increase as a side-effect of the new German working hours laws?
    - ajbozdar 7y ago
      .Net will still remain the bread and butter for years to come.
- bsmith 7y ago
  If you're hiring, is there a way to reach out to you?
- whalesalad 7y ago
  The platform you’re referring to: is it software for managing time tracking and invoicing? Or is it something that helps capture new clients?
  - fastbeef 7y ago
    It’s not a software system, but rather me figuring out and abstracting away stuff like payroll, taxes, bookkeeping, client acquisition, insurances , pensions and everything else that makes developers’ palms sweaty when they think about going freelance. Right now this doesn’t eat up all too much of my time so all is done in Excel basically. But if we’re, say, 10 devs I’d reconsider building something.
gshdg 7y ago
What counts to you as "making it" or "success"?
cryptica 7y ago
I have found neither.
twblalock 7y ago
In my experience work-life balance in the software industry, at least in the United States, is better than people seem to think. In particular, large companies have better work-life balance than startups and they pay more, too. I've been in the industry for nearly a decade and pretty much work 40-hour weeks, including at a company that has a reputation for people working long hours, and I've never been on call. It's really the team, not the company, that matters. People who join teams that work long hours generally know what they are getting themselves into.
wayoutthere 7y ago
Yeah, but I (and the people I know in my position) enjoy an immense amount of privilege / dumb luck. Generally it's about being unwilling to sacrifice life outside of work, and finding opportunities within those confines. Hard to do if you don't start out with a good network.
cyberferret 7y ago
Well, I am working (mainly coding) for about 6 hours a day these days on my SaaS startup. Never work weekends. Travel a fair bit with my family. I guess in one respect, that is “success” to me, and a work/life balance...
natalyarostova 7y ago
For me the trick has been to develop my skills where I’m good enough to strictly stick to 40 hours a week, and where people consider me valuable enough that even if they wish I worked more, they’re more than happy to accommodate me. Although the catch is to remain this good I still put in 10-15 hours a week on personal development.
whiddershins 7y ago
Work life balance can sometimes be a dangerously ill-conceived phrase, as can success. I would worry you might not know exactly what you are trying to achieve? What precisely are you worried about sacrificing in order to achieve your goals? Brunch with friends? I mean this as a serious question, why should a person be able to achieve anything without sacrificing something else? I think if you know exactly what priorities you are trying to balance/integrate, the problem becomes concrete, and then much more solvable. If you use nebulous terms it’s a bit like ‘how long is a ball of string’ and often you end up always feeling like you’ve failed to find either balance, or success, no matter what happens in your life.
orasis 7y ago
Yes. I am an indie iPhone app publisher in the health & fitness space and I earn a healthy 6 figures working ~25 hours a week. I’m hoping to crack 7 figures in the next couple of years. I made almost nothing the first 4 years writing apps but eventually learned the craft. I have lost as much as $30,000 on a single dud app and probably had 5 failures before any success. I highly recommend M.J. DeMarco’s book - Millionaire Fastlane and I’m a big Tim Ferriss/4 Hour Workweek fan.
- shimylining 7y ago
  Do you mind sharing your iphone app or website?
- bdibs 7y ago
  Any tips for customer acquisition on the App Store?
  - orasis 7y ago
    Use apptweak.com to find high traffic keywords then keep optimizing until you have the top click through rate for those keywords. Over the last year or so I’ve been able to climb the keyword rankings faster using search ads.
    - bdibs 7y ago
      Thanks! Do you use paid advertising also or primarily focus on ASO?
      - orasis 7y ago
        I use Apple Search Ads, but mostly just to boost my keyword rankings.
Gormisdomai 7y ago
I'm skeptical of what you could learn from a thread like this because of the huge selection effects involved
candu 7y ago
Similar to many of the other comments here: you should figure out what "success" means to you. It's easy to make the default assumption that success means lots of money and long working hours, at which point you've defined success in opposition to work-life balance. (Not that it's necessarily wrong to do so, but I'd contend that it is problematic to do so without explicitly deciding that this is what you want.) I'd estimate I work 40-45 hours most weeks, with occasional bursts of 50-55 hours pre-deadline often compensated for by shorter weeks afterwards. The popular myth of insane working hours aside, this is actually pretty normal [1] in our industry. I get to work with awesome people on projects that I care about, I earn enough to live comfortably but not lavishly (as do many people in this industry), and I have enough time / energy left over to enjoy hobbies, friends, and travel. I also get to learn continuously and enjoy reasonable latitude / autonomy in decision making. To me, this means I've been pretty damn successful. Could I have more of these things I've described? Possibly, though maybe not more of all of them at once. Am I living the hyper-optimized best possible version of my life? Arguably not, but it's also not clear to me that this exists; all important choices involve tradeoffs, and what's optimal now may not seem so to 5-years-later me. Personally, I've found it healthier to accept that my definition of success has changed and will change further, and that finding success is maybe not as important as searching for it :) [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2019&utm_content=launch-blog#work-_-hours-worked-per-week https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so...
kevan 7y ago
I guess it depends on what your definition of success is. I still average around 40 hours/week in the office as an SDE 3 at Amazon. I could probably advance a bit faster by putting in more hours but I'm happy with the pace so far. I think there's a lot of hustle porn culture in tech, especially around the entry level where people brag about how many hours per week they spend leetcoding. This creates an unrealistic perception that everyone is always working themselves to the bone. They're not, my last company even did half day Fridays during the summer.
minblaster 7y ago
I tried the corporate rat race, was not for me. Neither was the startup lottery ticket grind. I work remote 3 days a week (for 75% salary) and it’s the perfect balance for me. 4 days off is enough to recharge and work on personal projects yet keep some structure.
- 38932ur98u 7y ago
  How did you find such a gig?
  - minblaster 7y ago
    I had a side project online which the CEO of a small company used (he mentioned it on twitter). We started a conversation, he was hiring and remote-friendly, so I joined. After a few years I asked to go part-time. Not affiliated, but https://30hourjobs.com/ https://30hourjobs.com/ has a list of similar gigs.
    - gschier 7y ago
      Thanks, that looks like a great resource!
gnicholas 7y ago
I run a SaaS company and quit my day job 5 years ago. When my wife was going to have our second child last year, I posted here and on other startup forums to ask how male founders handled paternity leave. Many people commented that they were also interested in hearing stories of what others had done, but there were zero responses from male founders who had actually taken a paternity leave. What I ended up doing was basically ramping down my work for many months, and only taking a week or two off completely. This was the most helpful for our family, although my wife's job (professor) offers a significant maternity leave, so my approach might not be optimal for other situations.
ghi5goio3qno4i3 7y ago
Most my coworkers have. I'm somewhat unlucky in that regard, average work week is about 60 to 90 hours a week for a $40,000/yr salary as QA. That said, I something of an edge case. I have an IQ in the mid 80's, so the fact that I got an office job at all is something of an accomplishment. I should've ended up a minimum wage laborer or turning to petty crime. My employer took a pretty significant risk hiring me, so I'm grateful for it.
- Chinjut 7y ago
  IQ isn't real. You deserve better.
  - ghi5goio3qno4i3 7y ago
    It's a nice thought, but IQ is very real. The reason I was tested was because at an IQ of 80 to 84 you might be able to qualify for disability benefits from social security. I didn't qualify, but it was so close to the edge that from what I'm told, it caused a spirited debate with the workers assigned to my case. Though pray tell I ask, what on earth makes you think I would deserve 'better?' Should someone more that brings more value then then I not be proportionally rewarded better?
    - abj 7y ago
      The more steps between you and the revenue the less you get paid based on the value you bring. Far away from the revenue, the value you bring just sets a wage ceiling. You deserve exactly as much as what you can bargain for. Which could be $40,000 for 40 hours a week. You can be grateful for your current job and also look for better hours. You should be proud of your current accomplishment. If your current situation is not working for you, you are allowed to work towards finding a better job.
- ajbozdar 7y ago
  There is no need to be harsh. You can still improve and climb the stairs. The organization which expects 90 hours of work a week doesn't deserve you at all.
mikekchar 7y ago
There is no universal "good work life balance". What works for one person, does not work for another. Even the phrase "work life balance" implies a particular solution, which I think is often damaging to people. It implies that there is work, which when I'm doing it suspends my life. It implies that work is inherently bad for your life goals. Interestingly, I taught English as a foreign language in Japan for 5 years. I had a colleague who was giving a class on different professions and she asked the students (first year high school/grade 10) what profession they wanted. Many girls in the class said, "I want to be a mother". This infuriated my colleague who chastised the students and told them not to "waste their life". Of course, being a full time parent is actually a risky proposition in your career. You have to depend on your spouse for making money. If things don't work out, you don't have a lot of security. From that perspective, I completely understand my colleague's reaction. What I find interesting is the feeling that the choice of "full time parent" is considered an unfit career, regardless of risk. Had the students said they wanted to be musicians, a career with considerably more risk, my colleague would not have reacted in such a hostile way. When put in that light, what is your career to your life? If you spend your time lounging on the beach drinking pina coladas all day, have you "made it"? What if you sit on the street corner drinking cheap whiskey? Are you wasting your life if you achieve nothing in your career? How much of your time on earth should you devote to that work? If you spend your time simply amassing money, have you failed since you did not spend that time curing cancer? Do you need to make up for your complete waste of time making money by donating it at the end of your life? Of course, I'm being facetious. Your choice of what your want to accomplish and how much of your time your want to spend on it is up to you. Some jobs require considerably more effort than others. Look at the life of the average rock star. Many of them do 300 or more concerts a year. That's a work load that would bury the average software developer, but it's generally necessary at the top end of that profession. My advice, for what it's worth, is to try to find a job that is satisfying to you and for which the time spent does not seem to be wasted. Don't partition your life between "things I want to do" and "things I have to do". Yes, there will always be things that you have to do that you may not want to. But instead of trying to avoid the things you have to do, try to find things that you want to do and make them things you have to do.
- quickthrower2 7y ago
agotterer 7y ago
It depends how you define success. I consider myself successful professionally and personally... I’m the CTO at a startup where I work on problems I find interesting, with a team I love, at a company I really believe in. At home I have a wonderful wife and two beautiful kids (3 year and 1 year old). I’ve been working in tech professionally for 14 years. I worked very hard during all of those years and before. I’ve never thought of work and life as something that should be balanced. To me balance means the pursuit of those things being even. Instead I think of it as “work life integration”, where both things need to coexist at the same time. Sometimes the push or pull Needs to be greater on one side than the other. My typical routine is waking up at 7am (unlesd the kids get up earlier). Every morning I make breakfast for my boys, walk the dog, and get myself ready for the day. I drop my oldest son at school and walk 35 min to the office. I’m usually in the office around 9:30/45am. When I’m at work I’m 98% focused and dedicated to work. 2% of the time is a mental break or personal thing. I try to leave the office around 6:30/7pm and make it home just in time to read to the boys and tuck them in to bed. I don’t make it in time every night (I FaceTime for 5 min if I won’t be home). When I do make it back after we put the kids down I spend the next 1-2 hours min with my wife eating dinner and hanging out. Then I’m usually back on the computer for 90-120 min doing some more work. The weekends are family time, Sat and Sun from 7am-7pm is dedicated family time. I don’t do any real work with the exception of checking email when there’s down time, like during naps or if my wife and the kids run out for a few without me. Fri and Sat evening I try to spend the evening with my wife (we don’t go out a ton right now because of the young kids). From time to time work takes up one or both of those nights. If I’m giving up Fri/Sat with my wife it’s because something important needs to be done and I don’t take that choice lightly. Sunday evening is usually work / prep for the week after the kids go to bed. I’ve found a good routine where I can work hard and spend time with family. My job is flexible enough where I can go to a morning or mid day appointment for the kids, or go on the occasion field trip, or leave the office at 5 to pick up my son from school from time to time. A typical work work day usually averages 9-11 hours with the occasional flex up or down. My routine doesn’t leave a lot of time for anything but family and work. I watch between 0–2 hours of tv a week and if I do watch it’s usually during spouse time. I’ve integrated work and life together and try to modulate depending on what’s going on in either world and either time. I have no interest in a perfect consistent balance.
csixty4 7y ago
The biggest step for me was becoming a manager. As the person calling the shots, I push my team to work ~40 hour weeks, take comp time if we're paged after hours, to have interests outside work, and to spend time with those close to them. It makes for a positive, productive work environment. And then I'm expected to model the same behavior I want to see from them, so I mean I kind of have to limit myself to 40 hours. You know, for them.
- aprdm 7y ago
  You sound a lot like my current manager:) I am sure your team really appreciates it and that it creates a much better work environment.
CyberFonic 7y ago
For me success is being happy and living within my means. Did go through the corporate drone phase but big income meant high cost of living so I actually didn't end up saving anything. Once I made the decision to prioritise lifestyle, I went contracting. Only taking on projects that I liked and working for people I liked. Learning to say "No" was hard at first, but that too can be learnt. I charge for completed units for work, not by the hour. Beware of thinking that success = having and spending lots of money. If you don't have good health, then you can't really be happy, etc. Important to remember that you can't spend your way to wealth.
anotheryou 7y ago
I hopefully tackle one after the other. I went: bad money part time, ok money 40h than 30h/w, interesting job with good money 40h. Next goal: reducing h again.
aprdm 7y ago
I've worked in the UK, Canada and Brazil in over 10 different companies big and small. I've never worked more than 40h/week, I've worked with people who did but it seemed more like they wanted than that it was enforced. I feel I've never had problems putting boundaries and being reasonable, I currently make what I consider a very good salary for Canada and am working in a place that really values employer happiness.
juancn 7y ago
Yes. I workout regularly, go out with friends, play with my kids and have a successful career. The trick (for me) is relentless prioritization. Figure out what really matters in all contexts and invest in the important stuff, drop the rest. If you're working 60-80 hours weeks, you're not prioritizing properly. Do not confuse urgency with importance. Learn to say no, delegate, trust others and ask for help if you need it. There's an emotional component to it. You need to be able to be ok failing at some things. If you want to excel at something, you need to consciously choose what you're going to be bad at. There will be situations that require extraordinary effort, but these should not be the norm, they should be extraordinary.
trez 7y ago
None. I am technical startup founder. My company just got break even so I live with the minimum wage possible but it's growing at a good pace. Work life balance is both great and terrible. I work with my girlfriend. Our life is really flexible but we have customers calls every day. No days without a single call for the last 2 years. But I love what I do.

46 points by xupybd 7y ago

It seems that people need to sacrifice life outside of work to make it in the software industry. Has anyone made it and maintained a healthy work life balance?

fastbeef 7y ago

I don’t know if I’ve “made it”, but two years ago I started a small consultancy which increased my per-hour billing to almost triple compared to when I was an employee doing the same thing. I use this extra cash flow to work 25-30 hour weeks. Recently, I started to offer this setup “as a platform” to previous co-workers taking a 20% cut of their billing. If I get to five I can stop working all together.

pacomerh 7y ago
Do you specialize in an area?, or what kind of consultancy are you running?
- fastbeef 7y ago
  Where I’m located (northern EU) consultant is a fancy word for contractor. However, due to the shortage of people I can charge 95€/hour where the fully loaded cost for an employee is around 30-40€/hour. We’re all run-of-the-mill .Net developers, but we all have a niece (mine is finance and pension funds).
  - AlchemistCamp 7y ago
    > but we all have a niece (mine is finance and pension funds) I'm not familiar with that phrase. What language is spoken in your northern EU country?
    - desert_boi 7y ago
      I believe they meant niche.
      - AlchemistCamp 7y ago
        Ah! That makes much more sense.
      - fastbeef 7y ago
        Correct, curse you autocorrect!
  - vidanay 7y ago
    Are consultants/contractors going to increase as a side-effect of the new German working hours laws?
  - ajbozdar 7y ago
    .Net will still remain the bread and butter for years to come.
bsmith 7y ago
If you're hiring, is there a way to reach out to you?
whalesalad 7y ago
The platform you’re referring to: is it software for managing time tracking and invoicing? Or is it something that helps capture new clients?
- fastbeef 7y ago
  It’s not a software system, but rather me figuring out and abstracting away stuff like payroll, taxes, bookkeeping, client acquisition, insurances , pensions and everything else that makes developers’ palms sweaty when they think about going freelance. Right now this doesn’t eat up all too much of my time so all is done in Excel basically. But if we’re, say, 10 devs I’d reconsider building something.

gshdg 7y ago

What counts to you as "making it" or "success"?

cryptica 7y ago

I have found neither.

twblalock 7y ago

In my experience work-life balance in the software industry, at least in the United States, is better than people seem to think. In particular, large companies have better work-life balance than startups and they pay more, too. I've been in the industry for nearly a decade and pretty much work 40-hour weeks, including at a company that has a reputation for people working long hours, and I've never been on call. It's really the team, not the company, that matters. People who join teams that work long hours generally know what they are getting themselves into.

wayoutthere 7y ago

Yeah, but I (and the people I know in my position) enjoy an immense amount of privilege / dumb luck. Generally it's about being unwilling to sacrifice life outside of work, and finding opportunities within those confines. Hard to do if you don't start out with a good network.

cyberferret 7y ago

Well, I am working (mainly coding) for about 6 hours a day these days on my SaaS startup. Never work weekends. Travel a fair bit with my family. I guess in one respect, that is “success” to me, and a work/life balance...

natalyarostova 7y ago

For me the trick has been to develop my skills where I’m good enough to strictly stick to 40 hours a week, and where people consider me valuable enough that even if they wish I worked more, they’re more than happy to accommodate me. Although the catch is to remain this good I still put in 10-15 hours a week on personal development.

whiddershins 7y ago

Work life balance can sometimes be a dangerously ill-conceived phrase, as can success. I would worry you might not know exactly what you are trying to achieve? What precisely are you worried about sacrificing in order to achieve your goals? Brunch with friends? I mean this as a serious question, why should a person be able to achieve anything without sacrificing something else? I think if you know exactly what priorities you are trying to balance/integrate, the problem becomes concrete, and then much more solvable. If you use nebulous terms it’s a bit like ‘how long is a ball of string’ and often you end up always feeling like you’ve failed to find either balance, or success, no matter what happens in your life.

orasis 7y ago

Yes. I am an indie iPhone app publisher in the health & fitness space and I earn a healthy 6 figures working ~25 hours a week. I’m hoping to crack 7 figures in the next couple of years. I made almost nothing the first 4 years writing apps but eventually learned the craft. I have lost as much as $30,000 on a single dud app and probably had 5 failures before any success. I highly recommend M.J. DeMarco’s book - Millionaire Fastlane and I’m a big Tim Ferriss/4 Hour Workweek fan.

shimylining 7y ago
Do you mind sharing your iphone app or website?
bdibs 7y ago
Any tips for customer acquisition on the App Store?
- orasis 7y ago
  Use apptweak.com to find high traffic keywords then keep optimizing until you have the top click through rate for those keywords. Over the last year or so I’ve been able to climb the keyword rankings faster using search ads.
  - bdibs 7y ago
    Thanks! Do you use paid advertising also or primarily focus on ASO?
    - orasis 7y ago
      I use Apple Search Ads, but mostly just to boost my keyword rankings.

Gormisdomai 7y ago

I'm skeptical of what you could learn from a thread like this because of the huge selection effects involved

candu 7y ago

Similar to many of the other comments here: you should figure out what "success" means to you. It's easy to make the default assumption that success means lots of money and long working hours, at which point you've defined success in opposition to work-life balance. (Not that it's necessarily wrong to do so, but I'd contend that it is problematic to do so without explicitly deciding that this is what you want.) I'd estimate I work 40-45 hours most weeks, with occasional bursts of 50-55 hours pre-deadline often compensated for by shorter weeks afterwards. The popular myth of insane working hours aside, this is actually pretty normal [1] in our industry. I get to work with awesome people on projects that I care about, I earn enough to live comfortably but not lavishly (as do many people in this industry), and I have enough time / energy left over to enjoy hobbies, friends, and travel. I also get to learn continuously and enjoy reasonable latitude / autonomy in decision making. To me, this means I've been pretty damn successful. Could I have more of these things I've described? Possibly, though maybe not more of all of them at once. Am I living the hyper-optimized best possible version of my life? Arguably not, but it's also not clear to me that this exists; all important choices involve tradeoffs, and what's optimal now may not seem so to 5-years-later me. Personally, I've found it healthier to accept that my definition of success has changed and will change further, and that finding success is maybe not as important as searching for it :) [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2019&utm_content=launch-blog#work-_-hours-worked-per-week https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so...

kevan 7y ago

I guess it depends on what your definition of success is. I still average around 40 hours/week in the office as an SDE 3 at Amazon. I could probably advance a bit faster by putting in more hours but I'm happy with the pace so far. I think there's a lot of hustle porn culture in tech, especially around the entry level where people brag about how many hours per week they spend leetcoding. This creates an unrealistic perception that everyone is always working themselves to the bone. They're not, my last company even did half day Fridays during the summer.

minblaster 7y ago

I tried the corporate rat race, was not for me. Neither was the startup lottery ticket grind. I work remote 3 days a week (for 75% salary) and it’s the perfect balance for me. 4 days off is enough to recharge and work on personal projects yet keep some structure.

38932ur98u 7y ago
How did you find such a gig?
- minblaster 7y ago
  I had a side project online which the CEO of a small company used (he mentioned it on twitter). We started a conversation, he was hiring and remote-friendly, so I joined. After a few years I asked to go part-time. Not affiliated, but https://30hourjobs.com/ https://30hourjobs.com/ has a list of similar gigs.
  - gschier 7y ago
    Thanks, that looks like a great resource!

gnicholas 7y ago

I run a SaaS company and quit my day job 5 years ago. When my wife was going to have our second child last year, I posted here and on other startup forums to ask how male founders handled paternity leave. Many people commented that they were also interested in hearing stories of what others had done, but there were zero responses from male founders who had actually taken a paternity leave. What I ended up doing was basically ramping down my work for many months, and only taking a week or two off completely. This was the most helpful for our family, although my wife's job (professor) offers a significant maternity leave, so my approach might not be optimal for other situations.

ghi5goio3qno4i3 7y ago

Most my coworkers have. I'm somewhat unlucky in that regard, average work week is about 60 to 90 hours a week for a $40,000/yr salary as QA. That said, I something of an edge case. I have an IQ in the mid 80's, so the fact that I got an office job at all is something of an accomplishment. I should've ended up a minimum wage laborer or turning to petty crime. My employer took a pretty significant risk hiring me, so I'm grateful for it.

Chinjut 7y ago
IQ isn't real. You deserve better.
- ghi5goio3qno4i3 7y ago
  It's a nice thought, but IQ is very real. The reason I was tested was because at an IQ of 80 to 84 you might be able to qualify for disability benefits from social security. I didn't qualify, but it was so close to the edge that from what I'm told, it caused a spirited debate with the workers assigned to my case. Though pray tell I ask, what on earth makes you think I would deserve 'better?' Should someone more that brings more value then then I not be proportionally rewarded better?
  - abj 7y ago
    The more steps between you and the revenue the less you get paid based on the value you bring. Far away from the revenue, the value you bring just sets a wage ceiling. You deserve exactly as much as what you can bargain for. Which could be $40,000 for 40 hours a week. You can be grateful for your current job and also look for better hours. You should be proud of your current accomplishment. If your current situation is not working for you, you are allowed to work towards finding a better job.
ajbozdar 7y ago
There is no need to be harsh. You can still improve and climb the stairs. The organization which expects 90 hours of work a week doesn't deserve you at all.

mikekchar 7y ago

There is no universal "good work life balance". What works for one person, does not work for another. Even the phrase "work life balance" implies a particular solution, which I think is often damaging to people. It implies that there is work, which when I'm doing it suspends my life. It implies that work is inherently bad for your life goals. Interestingly, I taught English as a foreign language in Japan for 5 years. I had a colleague who was giving a class on different professions and she asked the students (first year high school/grade 10) what profession they wanted. Many girls in the class said, "I want to be a mother". This infuriated my colleague who chastised the students and told them not to "waste their life". Of course, being a full time parent is actually a risky proposition in your career. You have to depend on your spouse for making money. If things don't work out, you don't have a lot of security. From that perspective, I completely understand my colleague's reaction. What I find interesting is the feeling that the choice of "full time parent" is considered an unfit career, regardless of risk. Had the students said they wanted to be musicians, a career with considerably more risk, my colleague would not have reacted in such a hostile way. When put in that light, what is your career to your life? If you spend your time lounging on the beach drinking pina coladas all day, have you "made it"? What if you sit on the street corner drinking cheap whiskey? Are you wasting your life if you achieve nothing in your career? How much of your time on earth should you devote to that work? If you spend your time simply amassing money, have you failed since you did not spend that time curing cancer? Do you need to make up for your complete waste of time making money by donating it at the end of your life? Of course, I'm being facetious. Your choice of what your want to accomplish and how much of your time your want to spend on it is up to you. Some jobs require considerably more effort than others. Look at the life of the average rock star. Many of them do 300 or more concerts a year. That's a work load that would bury the average software developer, but it's generally necessary at the top end of that profession. My advice, for what it's worth, is to try to find a job that is satisfying to you and for which the time spent does not seem to be wasted. Don't partition your life between "things I want to do" and "things I have to do". Yes, there will always be things that you have to do that you may not want to. But instead of trying to avoid the things you have to do, try to find things that you want to do and make them things you have to do.

quickthrower2 7y ago

agotterer 7y ago

It depends how you define success. I consider myself successful professionally and personally... I’m the CTO at a startup where I work on problems I find interesting, with a team I love, at a company I really believe in. At home I have a wonderful wife and two beautiful kids (3 year and 1 year old). I’ve been working in tech professionally for 14 years. I worked very hard during all of those years and before. I’ve never thought of work and life as something that should be balanced. To me balance means the pursuit of those things being even. Instead I think of it as “work life integration”, where both things need to coexist at the same time. Sometimes the push or pull Needs to be greater on one side than the other. My typical routine is waking up at 7am (unlesd the kids get up earlier). Every morning I make breakfast for my boys, walk the dog, and get myself ready for the day. I drop my oldest son at school and walk 35 min to the office. I’m usually in the office around 9:30/45am. When I’m at work I’m 98% focused and dedicated to work. 2% of the time is a mental break or personal thing. I try to leave the office around 6:30/7pm and make it home just in time to read to the boys and tuck them in to bed. I don’t make it in time every night (I FaceTime for 5 min if I won’t be home). When I do make it back after we put the kids down I spend the next 1-2 hours min with my wife eating dinner and hanging out. Then I’m usually back on the computer for 90-120 min doing some more work. The weekends are family time, Sat and Sun from 7am-7pm is dedicated family time. I don’t do any real work with the exception of checking email when there’s down time, like during naps or if my wife and the kids run out for a few without me. Fri and Sat evening I try to spend the evening with my wife (we don’t go out a ton right now because of the young kids). From time to time work takes up one or both of those nights. If I’m giving up Fri/Sat with my wife it’s because something important needs to be done and I don’t take that choice lightly. Sunday evening is usually work / prep for the week after the kids go to bed. I’ve found a good routine where I can work hard and spend time with family. My job is flexible enough where I can go to a morning or mid day appointment for the kids, or go on the occasion field trip, or leave the office at 5 to pick up my son from school from time to time. A typical work work day usually averages 9-11 hours with the occasional flex up or down. My routine doesn’t leave a lot of time for anything but family and work. I watch between 0–2 hours of tv a week and if I do watch it’s usually during spouse time. I’ve integrated work and life together and try to modulate depending on what’s going on in either world and either time. I have no interest in a perfect consistent balance.

csixty4 7y ago

The biggest step for me was becoming a manager. As the person calling the shots, I push my team to work ~40 hour weeks, take comp time if we're paged after hours, to have interests outside work, and to spend time with those close to them. It makes for a positive, productive work environment. And then I'm expected to model the same behavior I want to see from them, so I mean I kind of have to limit myself to 40 hours. You know, for them.

aprdm 7y ago
You sound a lot like my current manager:) I am sure your team really appreciates it and that it creates a much better work environment.

CyberFonic 7y ago

For me success is being happy and living within my means. Did go through the corporate drone phase but big income meant high cost of living so I actually didn't end up saving anything. Once I made the decision to prioritise lifestyle, I went contracting. Only taking on projects that I liked and working for people I liked. Learning to say "No" was hard at first, but that too can be learnt. I charge for completed units for work, not by the hour. Beware of thinking that success = having and spending lots of money. If you don't have good health, then you can't really be happy, etc. Important to remember that you can't spend your way to wealth.

anotheryou 7y ago

I hopefully tackle one after the other. I went: bad money part time, ok money 40h than 30h/w, interesting job with good money 40h. Next goal: reducing h again.

aprdm 7y ago

I've worked in the UK, Canada and Brazil in over 10 different companies big and small. I've never worked more than 40h/week, I've worked with people who did but it seemed more like they wanted than that it was enforced. I feel I've never had problems putting boundaries and being reasonable, I currently make what I consider a very good salary for Canada and am working in a place that really values employer happiness.

juancn 7y ago

Yes. I workout regularly, go out with friends, play with my kids and have a successful career. The trick (for me) is relentless prioritization. Figure out what really matters in all contexts and invest in the important stuff, drop the rest. If you're working 60-80 hours weeks, you're not prioritizing properly. Do not confuse urgency with importance. Learn to say no, delegate, trust others and ask for help if you need it. There's an emotional component to it. You need to be able to be ok failing at some things. If you want to excel at something, you need to consciously choose what you're going to be bad at. There will be situations that require extraordinary effort, but these should not be the norm, they should be extraordinary.

trez 7y ago

None. I am technical startup founder. My company just got break even so I live with the minimum wage possible but it's growing at a good pace. Work life balance is both great and terrible. I work with my girlfriend. Our life is really flexible but we have customers calls every day. No days without a single call for the last 2 years. But I love what I do.